War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original
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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original
Well, not quite. But politically they've "gone over the top" and open warfare has now been effectively declared between Gillard, the PM, and Rudd, the ex PM. This present government has but a very very short time to run - possibly as little as one week.
Unfortunately, because of a ruling by the mods we are not allowed any discussion or input in what is likely to be a momentous few weeks in Australian history ranking alongside the sacking of Gough Whitlam as PM by the Governor General.
That this moment in history will eventuate in a ripping asunder of one of the main political parties and is likely to change the political face of Australia for many, many years to come is undeniable. It will also probably have a great deal of influence in how we run politics in the future. It is a seminal moment.
However, we can't discuss it.
We can discuss European, American, South African, British, Swedish, Russian, Chinese and sundry other political set ups on their hamsterwheels but not Australia.
What other country in the world got rid of a Prime Minister whilst in office, supplanted that PM with his deputy (and the first woman PM in Australia), then decided that she wasn't cutting the mustard and now appears to want the previous PM back. What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
I have no doubt that I will receive a 'telling off' from the mods and be made to stand in the naughty corner again but as they say....."same old Sisemen". However, I would urge them to change their mind and let this thread stand
Unfortunately, because of a ruling by the mods we are not allowed any discussion or input in what is likely to be a momentous few weeks in Australian history ranking alongside the sacking of Gough Whitlam as PM by the Governor General.
That this moment in history will eventuate in a ripping asunder of one of the main political parties and is likely to change the political face of Australia for many, many years to come is undeniable. It will also probably have a great deal of influence in how we run politics in the future. It is a seminal moment.
However, we can't discuss it.
We can discuss European, American, South African, British, Swedish, Russian, Chinese and sundry other political set ups on their hamsterwheels but not Australia.
What other country in the world got rid of a Prime Minister whilst in office, supplanted that PM with his deputy (and the first woman PM in Australia), then decided that she wasn't cutting the mustard and now appears to want the previous PM back. What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
I have no doubt that I will receive a 'telling off' from the mods and be made to stand in the naughty corner again but as they say....."same old Sisemen". However, I would urge them to change their mind and let this thread stand
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What would the best possible (less worse?) outcome for Australia be?
The continued internecine fighting that is going on at the moment is not doing the country any good.
It is making the place effectively ungovernable.
It will rip the Labor party asunder and it will not recover from that situation for a very long time and that is not healthy for democracy or good governance.
The people of Australia are sick to the back teeth of the fighting and want an input into who runs the country.
So, therefore, an election declared this week or next should mitigate the effects of the in-fighting and will stop the uncertainty. It will also solve the problem of a minority government which patently hasn't worked.
I'm not saying that an alternative Coalition Government would be any better in the short term but at least it breaks this present impasse.
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What would the best possible (less worse?) outcome for Australia be? .
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because of a ruling by the mods we are not allowed any discussion
We can discuss European, American, South African, British, Swedish, Russian, Chinese and sundry other political set ups on their hamsterwheels but not Australia.
You are of course being somewhat disingenuous here sisemen, because you know full well that there is a very good reason that Australian politics discussions have been banned in here for a long time. It is because such discussions invariably go totally off the rails in a very short time and end up with a raging war between people who have proved themselves incapable of having reasoned discussion and insist on using personal attacks and insults.
However ............... let's just try one more time (THE LAST TIME) to see if you can all behave like sensible human beings.
Go ahead.
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My only (short) time in Australia was at the peak of the Hawke/Keating power change. As I recall, the press reports were full of "He said....". "I never promised....." etc.
Is it only the ALP that have these tiffs about who should be next to lead & fcuk up the Country?
Is it only the ALP that have these tiffs about who should be next to lead & fcuk up the Country?
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What other country in the world got rid of a Prime Minister whilst in office, supplanted that PM with his deputy (and the first woman PM in Australia), then decided that she wasn't cutting the mustard and now appears to want the previous PM back. What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
). So "the country" didn't get rid of the last one, nor will have any say in whether or not he returns before the next general election.
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Mods letting Aussies rant about politics without letting 'em be
Aussies. Well let's see -
Can answer that in one sentence Sise - the higher powers in
SE Asia regard ALP Oz pollies as a bunch of mindless fcukwits
full stop.
Goodness gracious unROE me I can't say that now can I!
Ok I'll rephrase....the higher offices of government within the
SE Asia region regard the governing politicians of Australia as
a group of people who do not give proper forethought to their
actions due to their ineptitude brought on by their possession
of a lower intellectual collective handicap which is comparable
to the mental capabilities of an interactive partner during the
orgasmic phase of a sexual encounter. No further comment by
this writer is warranted as forthcoming and ends at this point.
Aussies. Well let's see -
What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in
particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
SE Asia regard ALP Oz pollies as a bunch of mindless fcukwits
full stop.
Goodness gracious unROE me I can't say that now can I!
Ok I'll rephrase....the higher offices of government within the
SE Asia region regard the governing politicians of Australia as
a group of people who do not give proper forethought to their
actions due to their ineptitude brought on by their possession
of a lower intellectual collective handicap which is comparable
to the mental capabilities of an interactive partner during the
orgasmic phase of a sexual encounter. No further comment by
this writer is warranted as forthcoming and ends at this point.
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"It is because such discussions invariably go totally off the rails in a very short time and end up with a raging war between people who have proved themselves incapable of having reasoned discussion and insist on using personal attacks and insults."
Must be me then .......
Bring on the Man in the Hat!!!!
Must be me then .......
Bring on the Man in the Hat!!!!
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It will be interesting to see how the numbers fall. Personally I don't think Kevvy's got them, but I wouldn't put money on it. 
Of the two, I still prefer Gillard; Rudd is such an obvious egomaniacal 'win at any cost' type, and he's been very disloyal by (allegedly, but the dogs have been barking loudly) leaking like a sieve to any journo who will listen.
His campaign has had nothing to do with the good of Australia or even the ALP, rather it's about the good of Kev. Once a dirker, always a dirker. Now we've got two dirkers.
Lucky little Vegemites, aren't we.
At least they're annoying the hell out of Bligh in Qld, anyway. Every cloud has a silver lining. 
Of the two, I still prefer Gillard; Rudd is such an obvious egomaniacal 'win at any cost' type, and he's been very disloyal by (allegedly, but the dogs have been barking loudly) leaking like a sieve to any journo who will listen.
His campaign has had nothing to do with the good of Australia or even the ALP, rather it's about the good of Kev. Once a dirker, always a dirker. Now we've got two dirkers.
Lucky little Vegemites, aren't we.
At least they're annoying the hell out of Bligh in Qld, anyway. Every cloud has a silver lining.
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[quote] loma paseo
Australia should revert back to its revered status as a penal colony and accept all non-english speaking immigrants from its mother country the UK [quote]
They would feel right at home, right in the centre of the country ........
The Aussies could ship their non-english speaking immigrants in as well......
The politicos should have learnt after watching the degeneration of the UK into Britistan. Saying that, I feel for the real Australians who are the real victims of the political clusterfcuk.
Australia should revert back to its revered status as a penal colony and accept all non-english speaking immigrants from its mother country the UK [quote]
They would feel right at home, right in the centre of the country ........
The Aussies could ship their non-english speaking immigrants in as well......
The politicos should have learnt after watching the degeneration of the UK into Britistan. Saying that, I feel for the real Australians who are the real victims of the political clusterfcuk.
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You might remember the leadership fights in the Liberals between Andrew Peacock and John Howard which ended up with John Howard as Liberal leader.
