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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 19th Sep 2015, 01:35
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We have a recalcitrant Senate, determined to be as obstructive as possible, and the only cure is for the government to have a majority of senators prepared to pass bills.
It would help if Australia did follow the Westminster system and not just talk about it. The House of Lords can reject bills passed up by the lower house but eventually the lower house can pass them into law anyway.

Before any election the system of voting people into he Seanate has to change, no more getting in on 0.15% of the vote.
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Old 19th Sep 2015, 10:35
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Man, that photo's cursed. Everyone in it is gone: Bronnie, Dopie, Aboot - all except Ken Wyatt (who looks a little bit like the now deceased Don Randall!).
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Old 19th Sep 2015, 11:41
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Looks like Wyatt Roy's noggin under the H.
Anyone predicted the canning by election yet. Great to see Barnett out there, I think he would draw a negative presence almost as much as the dearly departed Tony!
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Old 19th Sep 2015, 13:10
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Hastie for the win 55-45 TPP in early counting. Looks like Turnbull may have given him a boost.
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Old 19th Sep 2015, 16:24
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As you all know by know, Hastie won it. I'm sure Ethel will put some lefty spin on it. Although I prefer Tony to Malcom, I think Malcom will ensure another two terms ( at least ) of Liberal government. That will be enough to give the lefties and greens a meltdown. That part I like.
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Old 19th Sep 2015, 17:36
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I think we can all agree Megas Malcolm has a better chance of another term than Two-Thirds Tony . . . though I doubt those left of centre would be too perturbed (given Slimy Bill Short-term as the alternative). Most Aussies cover the middle ground and simply want to see sensible policy, decency and a bit of nous at the top - none of which the evangelical Abbott possessed.
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 02:14
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Polling before the election showed up to a 57 to 43 win for the Abbott Government. As many say, turnbull had to act before the election...

"...Remember this: Tony Abbott expected to win that by-election comfortably and use the result to calm the panic in the party. Internal party polling suggested the result would be better than the 53 per cent to 47 recorded by Ipsos, and even the 55 to 45 tipped by pollster William Bowe. I’m told authoritatively it would actually be 57 to 43.

That is why the Turnbull plotters were so desperate to depose Abbott before the by-election. They could not afford to let Abbott have a good result, and then three more weeks before Parliament sat again..."


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Old 20th Sep 2015, 03:25
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Pretty obvious that hastie would win after the lynching, would of been a knife edge if what's his name was still leader.
You seem to convienently forget all of the gaffes before the spill. Laughing at pacific nations concerns over sea level would I expect to be the classic straw that broke the camels back.
I am sure that I just read Denmark is producing 143 % of its power through renewables. Hopefully Turnbull with a progressive cabinet may head us in a clever country direction again.
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 05:49
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Quote:-

"I am sure that I just read Denmark is producing 143 % of its power through renewables." End of quote:-

Do you have the reference for that statement please? If that is the case then Denmark is truly the "wunderkind" of Europe and the entire developed world should be made aware of just how this miracle of energy-supply has and is being achieved.

On the other hand, if it is a typographic error, then is is an unfortunate one which you can correct in your post -but not in mine.

14.3%? 1.43%? These numbers I can believe, but not 143%. The reference, if you please?
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 06:08
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Google Denmark renewable energy
Not bad for a days worth of wind!
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 07:46
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via Ethel the Aardvak:
Google Denmark renewable energy
Not bad for a days worth of wind!
Ethel the Aardvark, I didn't find any legitimate source to back up your claims..

However, I did find plenty about the corruption and scams of the wind industry in Denmark.



Probably some of banker boy turnbull's mates...
"...Denmark is the centre of a comprehensive tax scam involving CO2 quotas..."

News from Copenhagen: Denmark rife with CO2 fraud | Watts Up With That?



National Park... No worries, knock over the tree's for more wind towers. The investment bankers gotta get their cut...

"...The Danish environment minister Troels Lund Poulsen decided, on behalf of the government, on 30th September 2009, that the clearing of 15 km2 of forest in the north west of Denmark will take place ... The government will force the local population out of their homes. The reasoning behind this is said to be for the benefit of the Danish windmill industry..."

Climate Craziness of the Week: Denmark evicting citizens to clear cut forests for wind turbines | Watts Up With That?



Oh, and just how much do all this cost. Keeping in mind you still need 100% backup via coal/gas/Nuke power stations. Effectively there is now over twice the power generation capacity and thrice the cost... Oh, Dear...

banker boy turnbull must dream about this for Australia...

"...In spite of their being virtually no costs for fuel, Renewable Energy installations can still cost up to 1.5 – 2.5 times as much to operate and maintain as conventional Gas Fired plant ... When the capacity percentages are taken into account, the capital costs can be 15 – 50 times greater than Gas Fired plant..."

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Old 20th Sep 2015, 07:50
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Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 07:53
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I think that Denmark is able to send its excess output into the Euro grid, not really a viable option for Australia.
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 08:15
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On an unusually windy day...

Security of supply...

"...“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy,...“Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”..."

Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian


So who do they pay when every european is on wind..

"...During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/bu...ower.html?_r=0



And guess who has the highest power prices in Europe...

"...German financial daily Handelsblatt writes about the harsh reality of these so-called clean, free-for-the-taking energies ... The relationship is totally clear: The higher the share of wind and solar power in the power generation, the higher the electricity prices for consumers..."

http://notrickszone.com/2015/08/29/g....vZ1p6PkQ.dpbs


What a farce... an expensive Farce... and all to profit the carbon trader bankers..






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Old 20th Sep 2015, 09:43
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I went to a lecture some months ago where an engineer explained the pitfalls of renewable energy, particularly the folly of putting the power generated by domestic roof-mounted solar panels back into the grid. (I would assume much the same argument applies to wind-generated power.)

The maintenance of the base load, at quite strictly-defined levels, (which cannot vary by very much, either up or down), is all-important, hence the need for coal/oil/hydro backup for the days when wind (or solar) fails to meet the need. (This occurs, on average, twenty days per month with wind turbines - I can't recall the figures for solar.) I.e., windmills meet base load requirements no more than 10 days a month.

So, on a good (sunny) day, all those solar panels churn out all that power, peaking, of course, during the hottest time of day (mid-afternoon), when the demand for power is quite low, so the electricity providers are forced to reduce the inputs to the base load, frequently even having to dump power that has already been produced by the coal/oil/hydro so the base load does not rise above the allowable maximum. Then, as evening approaches, the solar panels' output fades as the sun sinks, so the providers are forced to jack up the power levels to cover the evening peak when everyone gets home and turns on the stove/TV/lights/aircon STARTING FROM A LOWER LEVEL because of the input from the solar panels.

So they sometimes have to waste power already produced by (usually) fossil fuels, then waste more as they have to crank up to the levels to cover the high evening demands even more than they would have if they hadn't had the solar input.

Clear as mud? This problem will go away (or reduce) once a viable, economical electricity storage system is devised, (i.e. a battery), but that doesn't seem to be anywhere on the horizon yet.

In short, nuclear power is the only viable system currently available, and Australia is far better situated to take it in every way but one - political. The Greenies would just go spare, and to date, we haven't had a government with the political will (or backbone) to sell the message to them that it's nuclear or suffer large and long-lasting power failures, even if we continue to burn fossil fuels at levels FAR above what those same Greenies consider as the maximum acceptable.

If Malcolm Turnbull could put his supposedly superior mind to this issue and actually do something about it, he might just win me over. Not holding my breath, but I'd love him to surprise me.
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Old 20th Sep 2015, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Security of supply...

"...“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy,...“Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”..."

Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian


So who do they pay when every european is on wind..

"...During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/bu...ower.html?_r=0



And guess who has the highest power prices in Europe...

"...German financial daily Handelsblatt writes about the harsh reality of these so-called clean, free-for-the-taking energies ... The relationship is totally clear: The higher the share of wind and solar power in the power generation, the higher the electricity prices for consumers..."

German Handelsblatt: German Households Getting Crushed By Green Energies To The Tune Of 28 Billion Annually!


What a farce... an expensive Farce... and all to profit the carbon trader bankers..






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There's nothing wrong about generating electricity from wind it's a natural [Raging Forties anyone] renewable resource.

What is wrong is the way it's taxed and subsidised....
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Old 21st Sep 2015, 03:49
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Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (paywall protected)

A new wave of boats filled with asylum-seekers will test the resolve* of Malcolm Turnbull’s government team. Australia’s intelligence agencies understand the highly developed people-smuggling industry is readying to test the new Prime Minister and his new national securit*y team, epitomised by a completely inexperienced new Defence Minister in Marise Payne…

The people-smugglers have been following* Australia’s political changes closely. They know the new PM has a reputation for coming* from the soft-hearted end of his party and they will quickly be informed that the same is true for the new Defence Minister…
Didn't someone predict this here about a week ago? And as I recall, wasn't he howled down by one of the resident lefties?
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Old 21st Sep 2015, 04:04
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And it seems that Truss continues to hold the Transport portfolio.
I fear for the future of GA in Oz under his diligent (?) ministrations.

I'd hoped Dick might have had a word in Malcolm's 'shell-pink' on that score a while back.... No?
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Old 21st Sep 2015, 04:48
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Who got Communications? Someone Mal can trust not to do anything too precipitate to 'his' ABC, I'd be guessing.


And Wyatt Roy an assistant minister (or whatever the title is)? What a piece of work he's turned out to be. The Liberals' boy child version of SHY.
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Old 21st Sep 2015, 06:09
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FULL LIST OF THE NEW TURNBULL MINISTRY

Prime Minister: Malcolm Turnbull

Deputy Prime Minister Infrastructure and Regional Development Minister: Warren Truss

Foreign Minister: Julie Bishop

Trade and Investment Minister: Andrew Robb

Attorney General (Leader of the Government in the Senate): George Brandis

Treasurer: Scott Morrison

Assistant Treasurer, Small Business Minister: Kelly O’Dwyer

​Industry, Innovation and Science Minister (Leader of the House): Christopher Pyne

Finance Minister (Deputy Leader of Government in the Senate): Mathias Cormann

​Defence Minister: Marise Payne

​Cabinet Secretary: Arthur Sinodinos

Agriculture and Water Minister: Barnaby Joyce

Indigenous Affairs Minister: Nigel Scullion

Resources, Energy and Northern Australia Minister: Josh Frydenberg

Immigration and Border Protection Minister: Peter Dutton

Environment Minister: Greg Hunt

Health and Sport Minister: Sussan Ley

Communications Minister, Arts Minister and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government (Manager of Government Business in the Senate): Mitch Fifield

Employment Minister, Minister for Women and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service: Michaelia Cash

Social Services Minister: Christian Porter

Education and Training Minister: Simon Birmingham

Territories, Local Government and Major Projects Minister: Paul Fletcher

International Development and Pacific Minister: Steven Ciobo

Tourism and International Education Minister and Minister Assting the Minister for Trade and Investment: Richard Colbeck

Justice Minister and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter Terrorism: Michael Keenan

Special Minister of State, Defence Materiel and Science Minister: Mal Brough

Cities and Built Environment Minister: Jamie Briggs

Rural Health Minister: Fiona Nash

Veterans’ Affairs Minister, Human Services Minister: Stuart Robert

Vocational Education and Skills Minister (Deputy Leader of the House): Luke Hartsuyker

Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: Alan Tudge and James McGrath

Assistant Minister for Productivity: Peter Hendy

Assistant Minister for Cabinet Secretary: Scott Ryan

Assistant Minister to the Deputy Prime Minister: Michael McCormack

Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs: Concetta Fierravanti-Wells

Assistant Minister to the Treasurer: Alex Hawke

Assistant Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources: Anne Ruston

Assistant Minister for Science: Karen Andrews

Assistant Minister for Innovation: Wyatt Roy

Assistant Minister for Health: Ken Wyatt

Assistant Minister for Defence: Darren Chester
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