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Old 16th Sep 2015, 11:39
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Ah. My but how quickly the rats jump from the sinking ship!!
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 12:49
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Flying Bingi - Looks as though Hempy may have missed your responding post!

We just no longer know how many refugees are still sailing. Or still drowning.
So many less than under the Rudd/Gillard regime Ethel, that has to be good.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 13:44
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Ethel

There is no Bolt/Bernadi party.

Waleed Ali suggested it on The Project and Fairfax did it's usual line of bullshit, attributing it to Bolt.

You need to read both sides to get balance.
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 14:25
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Remind me Ethel how many ministers quit the Labor front bench when Rudd was un-kinfed?

Including Gillard if course.

There was no spill for deputy leader however Treasurer Wayne Swan resigned from the position.

Gillard backers Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, Trade Minister Craig Emerson, Communications Minister and Senate leader Stephen Conroy, School Education Minister Peter Garrett and Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig have also resigned from the front bench.

Mr Emerson and Mr Garrett also announced they will not contest their seats at the election.


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Old 16th Sep 2015, 14:31
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So Para's definition of stopping boats is less boats than labor, who would of thunked it!!
Thanks Cooda, there was me thinking that in 1 day there was already a new ultra conservative Bernadi/ bolt political party.
Mind you the highlight of Monday night was to see Corys face after the lynching. Priceless
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Old 16th Sep 2015, 22:36
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Croatia now the new route of choice for the Germanany-bound country shoppers. They can't handle the numbers and have asked Australia - yes, that's Australua - to take the overflow.

This will be Turnbull's first test. If he accepts these country shoppers rather than the minority groups
Abbott said he'd take, it's over, both for Australia and Turnbull.
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Ethel the Aardvark View Post
Oh dear Para, memory ain't quite like it was! ...

We just no longer know how many refugees are still sailing. Or still drowning
Ethel, you never knew that under Labor either. You only knew of those reported You never knew of those that set out, sank, people drowned, and we're never reported. During Labors term/s the KNOWN drownings exceeded 1,000. Maybe you should show some gratitude for the lives saved under the Turn Back the Boats policy
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 01:27
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
Ah. My but how quickly the rats jump from the sinking ship!!
Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
Remind me Ethel how many ministers quit the Labor front bench when Rudd was un-kinfed?

Including Gillard if course.

There was no spill for deputy leader however Treasurer Wayne Swan resigned from the position.

Gillard backers Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, Trade Minister Craig Emerson, Communications Minister and Senate leader Stephen Conroy, School Education Minister Peter Garrett and Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig have also resigned from the front bench.

Mr Emerson and Mr Garrett also announced they will not contest their seats at the election.

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Ethel, you are losing more and more ground every time you try and throw mud, and it is repeatedly shown to be extreme, poorly sourced or baseless. Your desperation is actually quite pathetic to watch. I'm sure that you really are a better person than this, but what (or who's) agenda are you following?
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 07:00
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Seems to me that Ethel has succeeded in dragging the debate here off on a very distant tangent.

The mayor of a pretty large local government area in south western Queensland has announced that the three or four small country towns that make up his local government area will take 1,500 Syrians. According to a caller to Ray Hadley this morning, the local paper in one of the towns (Dalby?) held an online poll. 83% of respondents are against the idea.

Meanwhile, it's been announced that Sydney will take around 7,400 of the 12,000 Syrians, mostly in two suburbs, Liverpool and Lindfield(?) [not sure of that second one.] I've been to Liverpool a number of times recently. They'll think they've been sent back to the Middle East. The number of women in headscarves clearly outnumber those with bare heads - and most are pushing prams with multiple infants in them or walking alongside. Phillip Ruddock has said that this is not a good idea as it might create ghettoes. From my observation, in Liverpool, it's a bit late for that, Mr Ruddock. Oh, and in the same report, it was slipped in that the 7,400 would, after family reunions, swell considerably. I missed the figure, but it's usually four to six family members per original refugee, isn't it?

But that was OK, because all those extra bodies in SW Sydney will mean even higher real estate prices there.

And today it was reported that protestors had been arrested in Bendigo as they objected to the approval of the mega-mosque that will now be built there.

Interesting times ahead in Australia.
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 10:48
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With things having gone completely titzup in Europe with unlimited 3rd World immigration into that region, one politician who has been championing just that for Australia for years now has been unusually silent.

Sarah, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would cancel all appointments should you choose to put yourself before the cameras to tell us how Europe should handle the current situation.
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 13:06
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Agreed - where is Sarah with her simplistic view on solving world issues; or rather, Australia's role in solving world issues
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 15:27
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexlee/19-t...lled-australia

bye bye, and this is why. Dumb
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Old 17th Sep 2015, 23:44
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For anyone outraged by the removal of Tony Abbott from the Liberal Party leadership, this article is well worth reading in full.

Macolm must keep Shorten and Di Natale out of power

It's uncomfortable reading, if only because much of what the writer says is uncomfortably true.

Here's a taste.

It’s all very well to describe what Turnbull did as an act of “bastardry” but the truth is that it was the right thing to do. Much as I admired Abbott, it was clear that he would lose the 2016 election. If the main game is to keep Shorten and Di Natale out of power, then Abbott had to go.


From the moment he was elected the ABC, Fairfax and the latte elite were determined to mock and disparage everything he did. They made it their singular task in life to tan Abbott’s scrotum and turn it into a tobacco pouch – and all along the line Abbott did everything he could to help them. He just kept putting his balls on the butcher’s block.

Over the last two years I have often been astonished by Abbott’s lack of political nous; his utter stupidity. The re-introduction of knighthoods beggars belief. Giving one to Prince Phillip was an act of gratuitous British boot-licking worthy of Pig Iron Bob and the thinking pre-dated Elvis Presley. It was an anachronism beyond measure. Why would anyone thinking of rewarding people for community service instantly think of a senile old goat on the other side of the world? The “Rolls Royce” maternity leave scheme … wasn’t the reaction entirely predictable?

Hockey’s first budget was the political equivalent of a kamikaze mission. He reneged on every promise Abbott had made the night before he was elected. Was he really so stupid as to believe that no-one would remember? Did he think the ABC, Fairfax, all the media, wouldn’t turn their guns on him? All the things that budget set out to achieve could have been achieved in a dozen other ways that didn’t rub the faces of poorest right in it. Surely Abbott knew that there were no votes in making aged pensioners poorer; in making the working poor cough up $7 to visit the doctor and, while doing that, cutting taxes for the likes of Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin and Therese Rudd?

Abbott’s style was tedious and tiresome. He couldn’t think on his feet and his delivery reminded me of someone with chronic constipation. His umms and arrs interspersed with sudden phrase bursts then followed by head-nodding silences until the next one were mostly incoherent and, whatever the message was, it was lost. His gait, like a man with badly bruised testicles, and the way he’d stand, legs akimbo, and glower with his head nodding like a psychotic, was anything but attractive. Being an ex-boxer one would have thought that he’d know that attack was the only way to win. You can’t win by covering up and getting on the ropes or in a corner and hoping the other bloke will run out of puff. And yet, in all the time he was in the big chair, he never went on the attack. It was always defence.

In February, after the non-challenge, when he said “Good Government starts today” I nearly fell off the chair. I just couldn’t believe it. How could anyone be so naïve, so stupid, so inept as to give Shorten and the media a rolled gold sledge hammer with which to hit you over the head?

Abbott just reeled from one cock-up to the next. Hockey was lead in the saddle bags and has proved to be nothing but a buffoon devoid of political nous. Eric Abetz is a complete failure. George Brandis is a terminal bore whose every word-heavy statement is truly verbal chloroform. Kevin Andrews is a non-entity. When I look at the Ministry there’s not much talent there. Apart from Scott Morrison, Julie Bishop, Peter Dutton and maybe Susan Ley they truly are a lacklustre mob of non-entities. Kelly O’Dwyer, who is apparently on the short list for a Ministry is, in my opinion, a loud-mouthed idiot who loves the sound of her own voice. I’ve never heard her say a sensible thing – and she’s said much and at every opportunity. She’s the conservatives answer to Sarah Hanson-Young. I follow politics quite closely but I couldn’t name the current front bench – most of them are entirely forgettable and devoid of “presence”.
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 01:08
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If the main game is to keep Shorten and Di Natale out of power...
I thought the main game was to ensure the prosperity of Australia ?


Banker boy turnbull's main game is turnbull's aggrandisement..
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 04:11
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I wouldn't disagree with that last comment one bit. I listened to Scott Morrison's fencing session with Ray Hadley this morning. He handled himself well, but I don't think he did himself any favours pleading Sgt Schultz's line of "I see nothing". It goes without saying that one of the plotters will talk one day and Morrison's pleas that he knew nothing come back and bite him - and bite him big time. There's no honour among such people. Someone will shop him one day.
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 06:29
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After observing Malcolm in question time the last few days I think its quite clear that he is on a completely different intellectual level than Shorten. Turnbull deflects everything that is thrown at him by those opposite and at times does it in a cheeky and somewhat endearing way. Now, the election isnt won in Question Time but it has very quickly shown Shorten up to be someone of little substance when his opposite number moves and performs with all the charisma and charm of a brilliant barrister in a courtroom.

He has the ability(as he should with his background) to make you think he has answered the question whilst not answering the question. An example before he became PM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqQ7Nnp2pqc
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 06:55
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Intersting video Jeps. Mal calling Labor and Shorten 'back stabbers'...
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 11:32
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Where does the elevation of Malcolm Turnbull put the Senate? Abbott didn't get "runs on the board' due to an obstructive Senate. Does anyone really think the Senate gives a toss about who the leader of the Liberal party is, or how charismatic he is or what the opinion polls say?

The simple fact is Malcolm Turnbull has to get bills through the Senate, and I very much doubt the Senate is any more predisposed to pass unpopular government legislation with Turnbull as PM than it was when Abbott was PM. The underlying situation is unchanged and it must be changed or else this tragi-comedy will just go on and on and on.

We have a recalcitrant Senate, determined to be as obstructive as possible, and the only cure is for the government to have a majority of senators prepared to pass bills. The cure is simple - but daunting. Turnbull must go to a double-dissolution election; he must present his agenda, his platform (carbon-tax, republic and all the rest), win a majority (and therefore a mandate for his agenda), and he must also get a majority in the Senate. Only then can he and his government actually govern. At the moment the only mandate he has is for the policies presented by the Liberals at the last election...and many of those are contrary to Turnbull's own ideals. He either gets these through the Senate - or he goes to an election. There is no third path for him.

The timing of this election is super-critical. He must kick Labor and Bill Shorten in their metaphorical nuts so hard they are forced to remove Shorten and put someone else in as leader. Their problem is they haven't anyone remotely charismatic if they remove Shorten.

Turnbull can give up trying to regain the votes of disgusted right-wing Liberal voters - they are lost forever. The voters Turnbull must try to win over are the Labor voters who simply cannot bring themselves to vote for a Labor party led by Bill Shorten. He has to hope they outnumber the Liberal voters irretrievably lost, hence the need for absolutely perfect timing.

He may manage to hold power if he can do this, but it is a huge gamble because at the moment there is white-hot anger in the ranks and file of the Liberal right, and their fury will be felt by the Liberals for a very long time. (If a hard right-wing party arises, expect it to garner a lot of votes from disaffected Liberals - something which both the Liberal and Labor parties may well come to regret in the coming years.) There is a section of the country which now wants something different to the major parties, and they would prefer hard Right to hard Left.

Now, the problem here is this:- to win over former Labor voters, Turnbull must turn the Liberal party into "Labor Lite" and therein lies the greatest risk. If he leans too far to the left and loses even more Liberal support, the next election may be unwinnable. If he loses he is political dog-meat and the nation will become subject to another round of impoverishment at the hands of Labor's "magic-pudding" economic theory. If he doesn't lean far enough, and fails to pick up the disaffected Labor votes, he risks losing the election anyway. He has to win - at all costs - both for his own political survival as well as the good of the country. Right now, the electorate faces the choice of two now-unelectable parties led by two unelectable men. He has to change that perception, and quickly.

In a way, we have suddenly acquired the Soviet political system. Multiple candidates, all of whom are promising exactly the same thing, no matter who wins. You have a choice of no choice at all.

Whatever happens, Turnbull must start to perform, and perform well. Either he gets bills through the Senate (which I very much doubt he will) or he has to chance his arm and take his agenda to the voters. "If t'were done then t'were better t'were done quickly" is a phrase which springs to mind.

I suspect what his real agenda contains is ramrodding Australia into a republic and becoming its first President. Malcolm Turnbull only cares for Malcolm Turnbull - a fact which will become abundantly clear in the coming months. To this end he will make whatever political compromise it takes, make - and break - any promise it takes, and usher in a new and dangerous era in Australian federal politics. It may well lead to the rise and rise of an extreme right-wing Nationalistic political party, and a shrewd leader of it will garner the support of disgusted Liberals and undecided voters who are sick of the same old sh!t being served up to them on a daily basis by both Labor and "Labor Lite".

Hang on, Australia - it's going to be a very rough ride and you will be taken as mugs by all and sundry before it is over. Oh, a message for Tony Abbott - "keep your powder dry, mate, and sharpen the knives. You know where to stick them now."

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Old 18th Sep 2015, 13:52
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Excellent post Critical. If Malcom wants to keep my vote, he has to stay to the right. If he moves to the left, I fear what might happen.
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Old 18th Sep 2015, 23:21
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SOPS, if Turnbull was in a pub playing pool, I'd say that in keeping everything he says to reassuring conservative voters that he's one of them and will maintain conservative values is a bit like Minnesota Fats fluffing his breaks until he gets the sucker to up the ante to a substantial bet on the next game.

Then the real Minnesota Fats will emerge. And in Turnbull's case, that would be the LEFT HANDED Minnesota Fats.

God, I hope we've got a Paul Newman out there somewhere.
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