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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 24th Aug 2015, 07:30
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I think your right SOPS. If I were a Liberal party strategist I'm not sure what my suggestion would be although many political journos are saying that they shouldn't change leaders and just run out the clock with Abbott win or lose.

Pollies do tend to get a little nervous when they come to the realization that they, in all probability will be in the queue for Centrelink if they don't do something though.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 08:57
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And here was me thinking the NBN debacle was a Rudd/Conroy production.

Turnbull, for all his sins, is only responsible for trying to render it affordable.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 09:51
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda View Post
And here was me thinking the NBN debacle was a Rudd/Conroy production.

Turnbull, for all his sins, is only responsible for trying to render it affordable.
Well he didn't manage to do it and for all his "efforts" we are now stuck building something that will fail to meet the mark on every technical measure.

The only nice thing you could have said about copper to the premises is that it was cheap, but it seems not even that was true. As for "faster" (I think he meant to use sooner but that's not as easily misunderstood...), well the only people who have been connected to the NBN since the Coalition took government were the ones who were already scheduled to get it.

Mega-fail Malcolm Turnbull, and somehow I suspect you knew it was to be so from day 1. You have done Australia over in more ways than "Labor's debt" could ever hope to.

A competent person would have fixed up the project management side of the rollout. The technical aspects were superior. Somehow I suspect this was a hospital pass from Tony Abbott who could not be seen supporting a project that was Labor's idea.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 10:04
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Thanks MTOW for the croitoique, O I do wish I had tried harder at English at school
the tactics we saw used in Indi against Sophie Mirabella. Tactics that saw he lose the seat by a very, very narrow margin, quite possibly fewer votes
Did you mean that Sophie lost her seat or he seat?
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 10:56
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If the current run on the stock market continues, as many have been predicting for some time now, it will be interesting to see if it has any effect on government policies. The more business contracts, the fewer tax dollars coming in to Treasury.
I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who is totally dependent upon the income from my investments. If they dry up, I'm on the pension - and that wouldn't even pay my Council rates.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 11:20
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'The Government' not protecting you Saltie? Maybe you should change your voting preferences next election?
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 13:11
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...and he has to defend himself regarding his leadership in the taliban hand removal debacle.
Makes a change from ears . At least the alleged hand thing was for ID purposes rather than the SF version of stamp albums. What happens in the field...This is one of the reasons 'ordinary' people frequently don't stand for politics; every part of your previous life gets dragged through the press by people (and for people) who largely have zero clue about what was actually involved. That's why we get left with pollies who are apparchiks and walking zombies who never offended anyone in their entire lives, mainly because they never actually did anything.
us ahem "parochial sandgropers" who know he will be a very hard act to follow.
What are your thoughts on Canning and the candidates ? Win, lose, draw?
And I add, while they were waiting for trial they should have been locked up.
For SURE. Even I'd agree that bail is way too easy to get at the moment.
There used to be different levels of rule of law, depending on how thick the criminal was being dealt with at the time.
Sure. Maybe that was a better system (in some ways yes, in some ways no), but that was then and this is now. I am (just) old enough to remember the old system as it applied in Queensland by the Queensland Police Force (none of this Service crap) and on a good day, it worked well. Bad guys floated up on the tide at Pinkenba and no-one noticed. On a bad day it sucked, because they didn't always bait up the right guy, which meant that 1. an innocent (or frequently semi-innocent) bloke got nailed unfairly and 2. the real culprit got away. Both systems are far from perfect, but CCTV, personal recording devices and the modern media (MSM and social) means we're pretty much stuck with the second one. Having seen both, I'd say it's slightly fairer and more accurate, but other people may disagree.

Traffic, agreed. If people want their kids to have a religious education, they can send them to religious schools.Two federal Houses of Reps (under both parties, in fairness) had their butts kicked by the High Court on this issue, but given half a chance they'll still keep on trucking.
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Old 24th Aug 2015, 13:55
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Anyone old enough to remember the days when 21 Division ruled the streets in NSW would agree that it was bit like the vicar's egg. Sure, they kept a lid on the excesses of the criminal fraternity, but I suspect that they broke more than a few innocent heads who were just unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 01:46
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Well the ALPBC and Q and A really excelled last night. It is really time the whole thing was shut down, and started again.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 01:47
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No disrespect to Haste
If you mean no disrespect, could you at least get his name right.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 03:50
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As a rusted-on liberal voter I have to say I'm fed up with the PM. His judgement has not always been spot-on and I think on the gay marriage question [which let's face it, the vast majority of Australians don't tuppence about] he should have pushed it through the party and nailed it thus spiking labor and green guns. The Tories in the UK have started doing this by stealing the centre ground from Labour as they lurch to the left [again]. The liberals should be doing that, stealing Labor's ground, not pandering to the right of the party.

Now it will bubble away constantly, pushed by the media, until the next election.

We have the Labor leader appearing to answer questions at a Royal Commission, Union officials being arrested as soon as they leave it but Labor are in the lead in the polls ?? Shorten makes Gillard look good for gods sake.

All I can see is a defeat at the next election and whole rotten Labor/Green mob will be back in the door.

Mind you, almost ANYTHING is preferable to that bastard Turnbull.

p.s. The comments about Andrew Hastie from Labor really are despicable and unfortunately shows the calibre of the morons and attention-seekers we have for politicians now - on all sides. You might not like Hastie's politics but at least he had the balls to put the uniform on and put himself in harms way.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 04:13
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I have to echo the comments on here about the current government. I'm no longer a liberal however, my family is essentially liberal voters and they are almost universally fed up with the PM. I think part of the problem is that Abbott has no theory of government. The Labor party have no theory of government either.

This doesn't appear unique to Australia but is quite apparent in other western democracies. I would much prefer someone to come along with an ideology I disagree with completely (Shall we say socialism) and prrosecute that ideology wholeheartedly rather than the chopping and changing everything on a whim based on I don't even know what.

Just look at the "Signature" policy Abbott took to the election. Where the hell is it now?? in the bin with everything else.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 04:43
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The comments about Andrew Hastie from Labor really are despicable
Agreed, particularly since the ALP have been a champion at parachuting candidates into seats. As have the LNP. And it has been successful.

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Lets give the voters the credit for some sense, it will be they who decide who they want as a representative.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 10:46
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Reading the latest Newspoll results leaves me somewhat bewildered!

Does it really indicate that the average Australian voter has such a short attention span/memory that they would actually prefer the previous crop of incompetent clowns who ran this Country to actually take charge again? You know; The mob that took us from a large surplus and virtually no illegal Immigrants to such a massive deficit* that it may take several generations to pay off, and also gave us a continuous stream of Country shoppers.

Is the average Aussie voter that short sighted??



* One local example; The local Public Primary School scored a large Hall cum Gymnasium/whatever from the Rudd initiative. I walk past it about twice a day, every day.

I have never seen it in use!
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:06
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We will never know how Australia would have fared through the GFC had Howard been given another term.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:17
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My childrens Primary School got a new, enclosed gymnasium/basketball/netball/indoor arena out of 'Rudds follies' that replaced an outdoor bitumen 'excuse' that was usable at best 4 months a year.

Including the local netball and basketball competitions, I can assure you Mr Pinky, it gets used 7 days a week...
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:24
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Then your Children are most fortunate, Hempy.

Please note that I did not say that all of the Rudd follies were useless wastes of taxpayers money.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:34
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Most fortunate? Perhaps. It depends on how you define 'good Government' I suppose.

I'm happy to pay 50% of my income (and it is ) to the Government if I know it's being well spent to further the lives of my offspring and people less fortunate than me.

I'm not happy if those same dollars are falling into the hands of a foreign multinational...
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 13:08
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Reading the latest Newspoll results leaves me somewhat bewildered!

Does it really indicate that the average Australian voter has such a short attention span/memory that they would actually prefer the previous crop of incompetent clowns who ran this Country to actually take charge again? You know; The mob that took us from a large surplus and virtually no illegal Immigrants to such a massive deficit* that it may take several generations to pay off, and also gave us a continuous stream of Country shoppers.

Is the average Aussie voter that short sighted??
Pinky, you forget. For 50 percent (and lately, it would appear to be more) of Australian voters, the only factor that matters is who will give them the most free stuff.

It wasn't always so, but the ALP took notice of how this was achieved by the Blair Labor government in the UK and followed their lead to the letter by importing voters - (or encouraging potential voters to import themselves) - who could be relied upon to vote for Labor for life.

Tony Abbott has shown repeatedly since becoming Prime Minister that he is under the delusion that by being nice to such people, he can convince them to vote for him. Note that the word I used was delusion, not illusion.
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Old 25th Aug 2015, 13:35
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Tony Windsor summed it up quite nicely the other night, basically he said Abbott was obsessed with becoming Prime Minister and coveting the title but once he got there he's been pretty much clueless.
Just trying to work out what is the worse slogan. " ditch the witch" or "abbott likes anal"
maybe voters are not all dum dums!
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