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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 11th Aug 2015, 12:49
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Yes Hempy, it's the Senate. But I guess you want to ignore that little fact.

And if you want to see what a weak illegal boat arrival policy achieves, just check out the news reports on the mobs that are overrunning Greece and Italy at the moment.
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Old 11th Aug 2015, 12:50
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Why not simply announce that it will be a plebiscite attached to the next election? That's the cheapest option in every way and it disarms the opposition.










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Old 11th Aug 2015, 13:07
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If the 'Senate' is causing you so much angst and hardship, why not call an early election?? .... Surely the people will see that its all the 'ALPs fault', no?

Oh, hang on. The polls don't look too good
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Old 11th Aug 2015, 16:36
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Hempy

It might have something to do with recent oppositions of both persuasions doing such a great job of trashing the political brand that an early election or double dissolution will likely work in favour of independents/minority groups rather than the major parties.

But then, I'm only a far right, red necked hick from the back blocks, so what would I know.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 00:32
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I hate to say this, but I think we may be looking down the barrell of another leadership spill. He mishandled BB, the marriage debate is being poorly handled, the polls are looking bad, I think another leadership challenge will be on in a couple of months.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 02:10
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I think a new leader for the Coalition is the best thing that could happen for them.

I expect Shorten will be doing everything in his power to make sure Abbott is still PM come election time.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 03:13
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You got that one spot on chuboy

In fact both Shorten & Abbott would prefer that each faced the other at the next election
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 06:48
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Turnbull seems to be moving towards a challenge with his comments on Same Sex Marriage this afternoon.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 07:16
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Because the Senate blocks everything Ethyl. But you wouldn't see that, would you?
Just call an early election then. Surely the voting public of Australia, having seen what a wonderful job the LNP have done in office so far, will give them an overwhelming majority in both houses and a mandate to apply their policies.

No?
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 07:47
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No No Hempy it's the senate. we just don't see it apparently!
meanwhile Dum Dum is threatening to sack ministers. nothing like a quiet period of stability to make you appreciate the current leadership skills
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 08:53
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One thing I have noticed here on this thread is that Hempy, despite his youth and accompanying arrogance, is capable of making a point that can be debated. Ethel, on the other hand is just a sideliner rabble rouser who likes to roll in an invective covered grenade on a reasonably peaceful gathering and then piss off.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 09:42
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Time to decide if you support Marriage or you want it opened to others.
The PM wants us ( yes us the people ) to vote in a plebiscite on the matter.
I would vote to continue with the current definition.
Those that believe the polling that reports 75 - 80% of Australians support homosexuals marrying should have nought to fear from my lone vote

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Old 12th Aug 2015, 10:04
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Quite surprised that some peeps care so much about the meaning of the word marriage. Going by the amount of divorces its not all its cracked up to be. I wonder if the wording for the the plebiscite will be 'shall we descriminate against same sex marriages or not' descriminate being the operative word!
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 11:15
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I have my view Ethel.
Are not all views on this matter valid?
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 11:24
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Those that believe the polling that reports 75 - 80% of Australians support homosexuals marrying
I for one, do not believe such polling!

And no, I do not support it!
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 12:21
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'Live and let live' has no meaning on this thread mate. It's all about 'me' here...
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 13:37
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We're in trouble. On the government side is a collection of not very talented, poorly disciplined MPs led by a man who is clearly a competent politician but who seems to lack Howard's feel for the public mood. The Opposition is better disciplined but is led by a dishonest man of no character, with the central Opposition policy being 'Abbott's a bastard'.

The media, especially the ABC and Fairfax share Labor's distaste for Abbott and and the noisy Leftist portion of the population either takes the party line against Abbott or forgive Labor for its unseemly side and misguidedly think that Labor represents compassion and decency, even intellectual superiority, regardless of its proven inability to govern well.

As a result, the issues of the day aren't the important ones of the economy and the cost of living, but beaten-up fringe issues to do with race, gender, MP's perks and climate change.

It would be a tragedy for Australia to turf out the LNP for its few faults and invite back the union/Green/Labor conglomerate, with its many flaws, and which is presently smelling blood.

We would just end up further down the tubes.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 13:52
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So maybe the LNP had better man up with a leadership spill?

Abbott is no leader, of anyone or anything. He's simply a parasite feeding off Howards kudos. It's as simple as that.
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 14:23
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Even if that's true, Hempy, would you ditch the Libs because of it when the alternative is Shorten and co? What's more, do you suggest that a leadership spill might be in order because you want to see Turnbull lead the Libs? Would you still hope for a leadership spill if you knew that Scott Morrison would win it, which he well could?
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 23:13
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but who seems to lack Howard's feel for the public mood.
I hate to admit it, but that would have to be the understatement of all time.

How Tony Abbott has managed to mishandle the same gender marriage issue - oh, now it's called 'marriage equality', isn't it? - in such a way to allow the Opposition to make his wanting to allow all voters to have a say in the matter rather than have parliamentarians take the vote is totally beyond me. This is exactly the same issue that swung so many against the vote in favour of a republic in 1999. People wanted a popular vote for the Head of State on that issue, so how in the world have the Liberals' PR 'experts' screwed up to have Tony Abbott labelled almost universally by the MSM as the bad guy for advocating the same thing over this current issue?

I'd like to see him step down - but recognise that his doing so voluntarily as a highly unlikely possibility; he'd make Bronwyn Bishop's too slow departure from the Speaker's chair look like an express train on tappet bounce. However, not, not NOT if there was even an outside risk of Malcolm Turnbull replacing him. Scott Morrison is the ONLY option as leader, but the Liberal Party machine has blinkers so firmly set in place that they will never accept that. Too many people - people who are all too often inept or who have proved they lack leadership skills - would miss their 'turn'.
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