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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 3rd Aug 2015, 12:36
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She's finished.

With luck, there will come out of this clarification of what expenses are legitimate and better accountability for them.
What a prescient post! Is RJM Abbott's refueller?
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 00:09
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Worrals

Hempy used Fairfax as a basis for his contention that "the majority of people don't support " RJM's position.

I was merely suggesting there are alternative points of view as to what constitutes "the majority of people".

But while also considering the ABC, I find it hypocritical that its major talking heads espouse socialist-inspired ideals while living the capitalistic lifestyle that a multi-six figure salary allows - until you factor in that their salary comes from the taxpayer. From those according to their abilities to those according to their needs is the ultimate communist utopia, isn't it?
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 05:17
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Actually, I was suggesting that the main stream media in general are simply profit driven and populist. Business 101.

They write what the majority of people want to read. If you don't like it, don't read it, it just means that you aren't a part of the majority.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 09:48
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I was merely suggesting there are alternative points of view as to what constitutes "the majority of people".
I agree. My point was that as newspaper readership is well down across the board, I don't think they're nearly as representative of popular opinion as they were in the 1980s. In a funny way, we were probably agreeing with each other, which isn't going to happen wrt the ABC .

I find it hypocritical that its major talking heads espouse socialist-inspired ideals while living the capitalistic lifestyle that a multi-six figure salary allows
So rich people can't be progressive? Many election results suggest that's not the case; Howard's government also showed that the opposite can be true. In any case, the ABC 'stars' earn comparatively less than their commercial counterparts.
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I don't watch Q&A (which seems to be the main bone of contention with conservatives) because I think it's partisan entertainment crap masquerading as 'news' (the same reason I don't watch The Bolt Report) but as the vast bulk of ABC programming is apolitical I think it's unfair to judge an entire TV and radio network by the content of two or three shows. Certainly Landline and Australian Story (or the Killing Fields for that matter) wouldn't get a berth at the commercial networks; it's cheaper and easier to round up a bunch of fat people or bad singers for viewers to laugh at. Unfortunately, on the figures above that's a sound commercial decision on their part; panem et circense wins the ratings.

If you privatise the ABC expect more pan and plenty of circuses, because that's what sells. A privatised ABC wouldn't magically transform into a bastion of intelligent, conservative political commentary. If that made money, the commercial networks would already be doing it.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 10:55
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Looks like the holier than thou labour stooges are starting to come under fire for their part in wasting public monies for personal use.

Lets have that independent investigation on all sides!
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 11:40
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The ALP have moved on Takan Inchovit, it is now all about 'Work Choices 2', something they will yap away about until the election, they accuse the LNP of scare mongering, the ALP should know, they are the experts.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 12:05
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Originally Posted by parabellum
they accuse the LNP of scare mongering, the ALP should know, they are the experts.
lol Howard won two elections on 'scare mongering', Menzies did too. The problem is that when people see through the rhetoric it's all doomed. Abbott has his 'boats and terrorists' campaign, the ALP has their 'for the workers' campaign.

Which hits closer to home do you reckon?
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 12:11
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Tony Burke should have a 'Man and a Van' around in the morning.
Tony Burke: Former environment minister under fire over $12k family trip to Uluru - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
That is a lot of money he has spent for SFA - should be gone like BB.
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 12:35
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Berk (sic) would be no loss. However, his departure, if the Libs continue to demand it, may be a case of "careful what you wish for". For given the demographic in his electorate, I think it would be a pretty safe bet that the ALP would put up someone who won't be using a Bible to lay his hand on when he's sworn in by the GG. Ed Cuzic will quite likely loan him the book he used to take the oath of office. And he'll be followed by another. And he'll be followed by another. And he'll be... You know what I mean.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 00:34
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The ALP have moved on Takan Inchovit, it is now all about 'Work Choices 2', something they will yap away about until the election
But why did the Libs give them the free bait? I honestly can't see what the political motivation is, unless they're secretly supporting Labor . Just as we've all run out of helicopter jokes along comes the Productivity Commission with its usual 'Sunday is like any other day' crap .

The sort of people who support that argument almost certainly vote Liberal anyway, so unlike (for example) Labor's recent softening on boat turnbacks, I can't see that this issue has a big appeal to swinging voters. I just can't figure out why the government would go anywhere near this issue after 2007's result, particularly when Howard's government were a whole lot more popular in 2007 than Abbott's government are in 2015 and it still didn't save them.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 07:34
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http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/china-refusing-to-contribute-funds-to-mh370-search/story-fnizu68q-1227465529341
We are (dare I say it, "as usual",) being played for suckers over this. If the other parties won't cough up any money, why in the world are we continuing to shell out all these millions of dollars we don't have?
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 08:56
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We are (dare I say it, "as usual",) being played for suckers over this. If the other parties won't cough up any money, why in the world are we continuing to shell out all these millions of dollars we don't have?

Because our area of responsibility is 11% of the worlds surface, the best intel says it came down in that 11%, and there are 239 people whose loved ones would like an answer?

Life isn't simply about 'dollars', although our right winged brethren is convinced it is. Your lack of human compassion is appalling tbh. If you had a relative on that flight I'm tipping you'd be singing a different tune, but, as always it's the standard 'fk them, it doesn't invovle me'.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 09:21
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Worrals, maybe because a bit of softening of the workplace regulations is what's needed.
Just returned from Oshkosh - the labour rates (approx) there are $2.75 hr. for those in hospitality that receive tips - and $7.80 hr. for unskilled workers (min wage).
We pay people in OZ more than that to stay home.
At least USA still manufactures stuff. At our rates of pay we have no hope.
And yes there were penalty rates applying in Wisconsin for overtime/weekend work.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 09:57
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What's the tax rate? How much do groceries, clothes and fuel cost? I had a conversation with a bunch of US Marines visiting Bris-Vegas about the cost of food and clothing in our fair city; after they realised that no, Australia doesn't do Bargaining and the price on the ticket is actually the price, they were a bit shellshocked... Comparing the USA and Australia wrt wages and comparative costs can be tricky. People earn less, but stuff costs less. They also have a quarter billion population occupying roughly the same area as our 20 million... it's apples and potatoes. Just because they vaguely look like us and speak the same lingo (more or less ) doesn't mean we have much in common economically.
And yes there were penalty rates applying in Wisconsin for overtime/weekend work.
Good. As a shiftworker for nearly twenty years, I get grumpy when Business Council types proclaim that any hour's as good as another. Firstly because I suspect that none of them have done much shiftwork (happy to be proven wrong) and secondly because I suspect that they all assume that their aircraft get serviced and overnight delivery parcels magically arrive on time after getting processed by the Transport Fairies.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 10:14
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if the Libs continue to demand it, may be a case of "careful what you wish for".
Just announced on TV news that, behind the scenes, both parties have agreed to lay off the expenses issue, they obviously know that they could both get a bloody nose. We shall see.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 10:41
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Driving in Melbourne today I could not get over the road signs or perhaps the ones I had not noticed before.
Keep Left - Keep Left - One Way - One Way - No Right Turn - No Right Turn - One way - One Way.
Even to carry out a hook turn you have to keep left to line up.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 10:54
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Melbourne! It's different; quite a learning curve (a curve to the left, I'll admit). During my trip I kept hummimg H&C/ Oils songs. Nice place, but; can't wait to go back.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 10:59
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Its cold just now but I love Melbourne!
Even the ABC are getting into the local big spenders.
Overpaid and underworked: Victoria's auditor-general slams government agency Major Projects Victoria - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 11:20
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Politics aside, IMO these guys know Melbourne.. and they're playing next Saturday in St Kilda for the first time in a long time. I was sorry to be there a fortnight too early. If you're hanging around, book a ticket; it'll be a great gig.
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Old 5th Aug 2015, 11:40
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Thanks for the info - luved the clip, at this stage we are leaving MEL late Saturday afternoon. Would have liked to get down to Acland Street again!!
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