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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 30th Jun 2015, 08:56
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Seems that Hockey has just put a few quid his bank thanks to Fairfax being silly and lax with their headlines.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 10:30
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I reckon Hockey should put it into charities (in Australia).
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 11:37
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Hockey will be lucky to see five cents, lawyers fees will swallow the vast majority.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 13:24
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If the pay out from Fairfax, small as it may well be, means that we are nearer the demise of the "Age" then it is a happy day. I'll miss the Sunday edition though for the crossword and the letters page, always good for a laugh.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 14:48
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I'm not sure if another site can be advertised here, but Michael Smith's site michaelsmithnews.com is an eye opener regarding the doings of certain unions and their hangers on (eg the sisters, wives etc of the miscreants). Smith details the progress of the TURC and other tribunals. They're all in it up to their armpits, lying, forgetting things and generally denying that the money flows around like a golden river.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 19:06
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IMHO, the Hockey judgement was correct.

The interesting thing is that Joe asserted that he was mis-reported in the actual article.
After due deliberation, the court found otherwise.

What are you doing, Joe - a tag-team act with Tony to see who's got the bigger mouth... Size 11 or 12?
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 23:14
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Two points about the Hockey finding. It wasn't the article that he won on, but the posters showing the headline 'Treasurer for Sale' (for which he was awarded $120,000) and the two twitter messages (for which he will get $80,000). The article itself was deemed to be accurate and fair.

The court has not yet decided who will pay the costs. It will be interesting to see which way they go. If Fairfax has to pay, their bill will almost certainly be more than double the 200k fine. If Joe has to pay - even just his own lawyers - I suspect he'll be out of pocket, even after receiving his 200k from Fairfax.

As usual in such cases, the only sure winners are the lawyers.

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 00:13
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Can you guess which one's the lawyer?

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 00:31
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ah suppose with out them lawyers it'd be pistols at 20 paces. One body, one winner...






















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Old 1st Jul 2015, 00:45
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Out of interest, who paid for the lawyers? Was it Hockey or the party?
126 page judgement, Yay . Even the seminal Engineers' Case only ran to 49 pages. We live in a pontificating age.
Hockey v Fairfax Media Publications Pty Limited [2015] FCA 652
http://www3.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/d...CA/1920/54.pdf

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 01:02
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I hope it was Hockey. Any proceeds went into his pocket, apparently.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 01:04
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Fair enough, then he problably ran it and wore the risk.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 01:39
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Just when I think that I've heard it all about union corruption/corrupt practices of union officials, I manage to get surprised again by new twists and turns. What saddens me even more is that it's from this pool of seemingly total lack of morality and accountability that the Labor Party draws many of it's current and future politicians; and how beholden the ALP is to the union leaders pulling the strings behind (and sometimes in front) of the scenes

Controversial unionist Kathy Jackson declares bankruptcy throwing trial into doubt

Controversial unionist Kathy Jackson has declared she is bankrupt on the first day of a two-week trial for her alleged misuse of more than $1.4 million.

The former Health Services Union national secretary is being sued by the union, accused of having wrongfully spent HSU funds on personal expenses including designer clothes, overseas holidays, dinners and other indulgences.

She also allegedly used union money on exercise equipment, mortgage repayments and contributions to a divorce settlement.

But Ms Jackson's lawyers, appearing via videolink from Sydney, told the Federal Court in Melbourne that she is now an undischarged bankrupt.

The development could prevent the case against Ms Jackson from going ahead.

It comes after Ms Jackson last week launched an extraordinary bid to stop the proceedings by arguing they were part of a revenge conspiracy masterminded by senior Labor Party and union leaders to "destroy" her for whistleblowing on disgraced former MP Craig Thomson.

Ms Jackson shot to prominence as a whistleblower on corruption with in the HSU involving former national president Michael Williamson, who is now in jail, and Mr Thomson.

But she has come under scrutiny for her own conduct, with the union launching a large-scale lawsuit to retrieve money the union claims she misappropriated.

Ms Jackson is also currently being investigated by police for alleged criminal theft and fraud.

In a recent defence statement, Ms Jackson says vouchers supporting each credit card expense were handed over to the union branch bookkeeper and submitted for approval.

Ms Jackson maintains that all expenses relating to retail, food and alcohol, entertainment and fitness were work-related, and claims that in a 2002 pay review she traded off a salary increase for a "substantial travel entitlement".
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 04:56
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submitted for approval
I wonder who had the job of approving Kathy Jackson's expenditure, and what their price was.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 04:59
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Apologies if some see this as thread drift, but it is aviation related, and I think it did touch on Australian politics when it occurred. I'm referring to Alan Joyce's grounding of Qantas a couple of years ago come October. Qantas is apparently moving heaven and earth to stop Joyce's speech writer (!), who was paid $165k a year for that part time job (which might help explain in part why Qantas is struggling to stay in the black) from publishing a book about those eventful times.

I saw the message below on Leftie Central Crikey's website, and I have to say, I think Mr Skinner might be pretty close to the money.

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Posted June 24, 2015 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

Call me a cynic if you like, but this sounds suspiciously like one of those “as told to” autobiographies. You know “Alan Joyce – Fighting Words” as told to…

Nobody would bother to buy a normal autobiography from AJ. However, released this way, with enough controversy kindly provided by Qantas, it might just sell and put the cherry on top of his retirement cake.

As for stopping the release? Please? Publish on Amazon in the US. Try and stop that. Ha!

Sounds like a publicity stunt to me.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 07:28
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Man accused of recruiting Australians to fight with IS allowed to live in Sydney mosque during Ramadan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Is it just me? Does anyone else think this is mad?
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 08:43
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It's mad. Too bad we can't suggest he recruits himself and p*ss him off to Syria.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 09:15
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SOPS, as someone who lived in the Middle East for 20 years, I can assure you that the people from that part of the world utterly despise our authorities - and our legal system - for displaying what they see as craven weakness. In the Arab world, if you are in a position to wield power, you wield it - to the fullest extent you can.

The Arabs who have moved here cannot believe that our legal system bends over to accommodate them - and whenever it does, they promptly tighten the ratchet one cog more. And when they achieve that, they push and squeeze and demand until that ratchet clicks yet again. And then... 'click' - again. And again. And again.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 10:26
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I lived in The ME for 9 years, MTOW. I know ecactly what you speak of.
But our huggy fluff legal type people just seem to want to bend over for them.

I also suggest he goes and does Ramadam in Syria.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 11:44
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So... the solution?
Do we also revert to the law of the jungle/desert because that's what they expect? If we do that, don't we descend to their level?

I'm not personally opposed to crab-pot justice (as both a Queenslander and a trade unionist ), but... where does it end? Our society is basically Anglo and as such, subscribes to the rule of law. Rule of law does not imply freedom or 'rights', but it does provide that one set of rules apply to all people in a non-arbitary fashion. It also provides for a fair trial, conducted in public.

Of course this is not the Middle-Eastern way, but it's our way. If we move away from that, then we move away from principles that were established within our culture in the 10th century and furthered throughout the following ten centuries to give us the systems of law and governance that we now hold dear.

If we succumb to their system and start applying their rules, then we do more harm to our own system than thousands of murderous yobs in Syria could dream of . We become as bad as they are, and the jungle/desert takes over.

Remember what you care about; remember what you believe in. There are times when the rule of law will look weak and impotent. There are times when the rule of conquest will look like a better option; easier, and a better way to quell the wit loudmouths who rejoice in killing people who are weaker than them.

When that's the case (and I've found that the 'kill 'em all' ethos has had some appeal recently) remember what the rule of law is about. Habeas corpus, mandamus...the old writs; rarely used in courts these days, but they are still valid and more importantly, they are still fundamental concepts that underpin our common and statute law. They (and other basic principles) are what separates us from IS and other murderous thugs who would seek to reinstate the law of the gun.

If ever you think it's easier to stray from these principles, you'd be right. It is easy, but when a society denies fair trials, when it hides the process, when it locks people up without judgement, when it permits public officials to act without redress and when it takes the easy way in the name of what's Right... it becomes as bad as they are, and surrenders everything that was achieved over so many centuries.
Then they win, and we're all as bad as each other. Let them despise us; last time I looked, a bunch of people were wanting to come here from there, not the other way around. Apart from a few troublemakers the majority are doing their best to settle in (which isn't easy), working their butts off and putting their kids through school. Maybe that says something about the system they left.

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