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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 11th May 2015, 12:40
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Hey Worrels, that would have to be a send up wouldn't it? No HR department in a major company would remotely let that off the presses.
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Old 11th May 2015, 14:23
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It is understood Thiess Services revised the contracts several months after signing on the Filipino workers, acknowledging that bans on union representation had been illegal. It is not known how many of the 457 visa workers had contracts changed.
- from the Age (must be right...)

So there's more to the story. The clause applied only to workersa on 457 visas.
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Old 11th May 2015, 21:07
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“Indonesia at the moment is no longer a country that needs aid for development,” said Indonesia’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Armanatha Nasir. “Nevertheless, any aid given by Australia is their effort to increase, to strengthen our partnership. And so, it’s their right to give, but Indonesia is not asking.”
if this report is correct, it should be a no brainer for Joe Hockey tonight to make an easy 600 million saving in his budget speech.

But of course he won't.
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Old 11th May 2015, 22:54
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The police are also banning the media from saying what religion the teen belongs to

Do you have a link?
Worrals, Paul Murray said it quite early in the show last night. Something along the lines of "...now I'm not going to breach the rules about naming this guy, but I can't even say what religion he belongs to."
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Old 11th May 2015, 23:36
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It is a law which prohibits the publication or broadcasting of any information which can identify a minor. The legislation is generally a result of Australia's endorsement of various United Nations instruments relating to the treatment of children in the criminal justice system.

69. Particular Privacy Issues Affecting Children and Young People
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Old 12th May 2015, 04:34
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I see the little luvvie's lawyer, has told the court that any identification of him could harm his physical and mental well being.

May I suggest that anyone that he had manage to blow up, could possibly have had their mental and physical well being harmed a great deal more.
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Old 12th May 2015, 04:43
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SOPS;I would think that once some of the Aussie born-and-bred lags in the remand centre find out about him there may be a distinct possibility of his physical well being, being affected!

'No honour amongst thieves' springs to mind.

BTW, do you ever address your Sister as 'Comrade?'
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Old 12th May 2015, 05:53
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That "contract" looks fake to me. The Australia. Is that like The Netherlands?

Thiess Services Pty ltd is, according to Google, a rubbish collection service just north of Woy Woy.
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Old 12th May 2015, 05:55
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I guess the under 18s are being targeted because a) at that age they already know everything but despite that b) they are apparently too young to be responsible for their actions and will come under the protection of the law they despise. No doubt we will be paying for the poor little darling's defence as well.
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Old 12th May 2015, 06:13
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It has been reported that oh his FB page, he was talking that the only law he recognises is Sharia law. Just deport him for trial to Saudi Arabia or Iran, that should keep him happy.
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Old 12th May 2015, 06:17
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
Thiess Services Pty ltd is, according to Google, a rubbish collection service just north of Woy Woy.


https://www.austrade.gov.au/ArticleD...04-14.pdf.aspx
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Old 12th May 2015, 06:33
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Originally Posted by Worrals in the wilds View Post
From the article; Well, get on with it then. Tell us who elected you, and who you govern for.
Hmmm, remind me which Australian Government was looking after 457 visas in 2012?

Their contracts are signed by the general managers of Thiess Services Australia and were issued in 2012 via an agent in the Philippines.
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Old 12th May 2015, 06:39
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Hmmm, remind me which Australian Government introduced 457 visas in the first place..
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Old 12th May 2015, 06:50
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Hmmm, remind me which Australian Government introduced 457 visas in the first place..
And the relevance of that is what?

The article referred to a possible illegality under the previous gummint: WITW tried to tie it in with the current administration. You'd hardly expect an instant response based on an article from The Age, no matter who is driving the ship.
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Old 12th May 2015, 08:34
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Worrals, Paul Murray said it quite early in the show last night. Something along the lines of "...now I'm not going to breach the rules about naming this guy, but I can't even say what religion he belongs to."
This morning's Courier also said they couldn't identify (among other things) religion, so apologies (to you and CSD) on that. However, the minor ID stuff still applies. It's also possible that identifying him could jeopardise the investigation; that's often a reason for suppressing an adult's identification. Presumably the authorities are also concerned about vigilante action against the family and their property.
That "contract" looks fake to me. The Australia. Is that like The Netherlands?
You could be right. However, as per the watermark it came off the ACTU's website, and I'm guessing they ran it past their lawyers prior to publishing it; I suppose time (and the investigation) will tell.
WITW tried to tie it in with the current administration.
Did I? I didn't mean to, because the allegations date back to 2012 as stated in The Age article. My comment re the Abbott government was a general snipe about their disregard for working conditions. For the record, I think the former federal government was also very slack about 457 visa approvals, particularly with respect to big companies. IMO it's one of the reasons many of their supporters turned against them at the 2013 election.

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Old 12th May 2015, 08:52
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i saw this on Larry Pickering's site. if it turns out to be true, there'll be some unhappy campers among the self-funded retiree section of society.

I get a financial newsletter and the belief of the writer is that the government is going to forcibly convert super payouts to annuities so they will be just like pensions with no residual after death to go to your estate. Will be interesting to see what happens. Even under this Liberal Government I don't feel my assets and cash are safe.
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Old 12th May 2015, 09:36
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Worrals ...it was not only your former federal government that was lax with regard to 457 visas but also the union movement.You remember the unions,those organisations that were set up to represent workers/members.In the case of 457 visas they stood by while their own members couldn't find jobs and also actively tried to recruit those temporary workers on 457s.No surprise there though as unions these days are only interested in the subs coming into their coffers each week.
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Old 12th May 2015, 10:03
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Yeah 457's. What a great idea they were...thank you Mr. Howard.

Bosnich, I've never thought of you as a leftie. So do you mean by your post that you would have supported trade union agitation/opposition to 457s??
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Old 12th May 2015, 10:29
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457's are great. Like all things, they need monitoring and the rules changing if it becomes apparent they are open for abuse.

Its not the first time a government of any leaning introduces something and had to tweak the system.

Bit rich the unions moaning about fairness, tell that to the intimidated and bullied workers that want a job, or disagree with union tactics.
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Old 12th May 2015, 11:01
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Do tell whats great about them, doc.
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