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Old 6th May 2015, 07:21
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Human migration has been going on longer than any history can record and I dont expect it to end anytime soon. Accept that and make provision for the inevitable.
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Old 6th May 2015, 07:28
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Yep, in another two hundred years, everyone on the planet will look like Tiger Woods.
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Old 6th May 2015, 09:18
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in another two hundred years, everyone on the planet will look like Tiger Woods.
Would that matter? Anyone who sees the colour of a fellow human being is an out and out racist, and needs to be called for that.
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Old 6th May 2015, 09:27
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Yep, in another two hundred years, everyone on the planet will look like Tiger Woods.
Wouldn't mind if I could play golf as well as him. If all it takes is a bit of shoe polish to improve my swing, then I'll try it tomorrow.
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:18
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I have no problem at all with everyone ending up the colour of Tiger Woods. But I fear that, the way we're going, those people who look like Tiger won't be able to afford a pair of golf shoes or even a golf shirt.

It's happened before. The last centuries of the Roman empire, (and for a damn sight longer than we've managed it so far), the lucky ones at the top of - and quite a way down - the social tree - (and in today's world, we in the West would be their equivalent) - enjoyed hot water, cities with operating sewage systems and running water. And it all came tumbling down for over one thousand years, where all those goodies were lost to all but a very, VERY few at the very VERY top.

I don't care what colour my great grandchildren turn out to be. I just want them to enjoy a life style at least as good as the one I've been lucky enough to enjoy - so far. With unchecked, unregulated mass immigration from the collapsing Third World into the West, I fear that's becoming increasingly a very faint hope.
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:24
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another two hundred years, everyone on the planet will look like Tiger Woods.
Which brings to mind a possibly prophetic song from the late 60s/early 70s (really cannot remember) from Blue Minx?? which from memory was called 'Melting pot.'

''What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough to take the world and all it's got
Keep it stirring for a hundred years or more.
Turn out coffee coloured people by the score"
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:41
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I have news for you champ, you and your far right mates are in the minority. Deal with it.
ROFL Well done, do you even believe yourself?

Maybe you should get out and chat with the average Jo and jill Bloh on the street. Main stream isn't a small set of idealogical comrades patting each other on the back reinforcing each others beliefs.
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:58
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Main stream isn't a small set of ideological comrades patting each other on the back reinforcing each others beliefs.
Not according to the new leader of the Watermelon Party rh200!

And what a relief the new leader is not Sarah Two Dads!

Although if she was, just possibly she would have 'poisoned the brand' just that little bit faster.
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Old 6th May 2015, 11:48
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I have to agree with you Pinky. There'd be many Greens silently thanking Christine Milne for her carefully timed and swift departure that left SHY and Adam Ant unprepared to gather their numbers.

SHY would have damaged the Greens product immensely if she'd been given the daily air time afforded a party leader. (For my money, she gets too much as it is, but that's just me.) I think there'd be more than a few Greens who are very aware that she has reached, and possibly exceeded, her Peter Principle pinnacle as a mere senator.

A specially nasty part of Hell should be reserved for Clive Palmer for foisting SHY upon us for her current six year term.
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Old 6th May 2015, 11:59
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I wish Two Dads had got the gig. Had she got the top job, I think the whole watermelon machine would have collapsed within months.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:22
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Poor Sarah. Tragedies happen.

Di Natale is from the Victorian Left of the Greens, which is quite a long way Left.

Everything he says is designed to win the quota of first preference and preference votes Green Senate aspirants need to hook a seat.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:44
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Once the surprise has sunk in with SHY and Bent then I suspect open warfare will break out amongst the Greens. Di Natale is going to have his work cut out keeping the lid on that!

And in other news.....the curmudgeonly Victorian Premier having a dummy spit about 500million being given to WA for roads while the Vic Government has just got 1.5 billion for not building a road! You couldn't make it up.
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Old 6th May 2015, 19:46
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I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment about the Greenz wanting to shut Sydney airport and make all passengers catch a non-existent high-speed train to wherever the never-to-be-built airport won't be.

Lunatics.
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Old 6th May 2015, 20:47
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I love that last long sentence, Ascend Charlie. It encapsulates everything that is and always will be wrong about the Greens. I also agree that dr Baby will have extreme difficulty keeping the reins on SHY. The media will always look to her for a catchy sound bite. And she'll always be happy to provide one. Can't help herself.
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Old 6th May 2015, 22:13
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Andrew Bolt commenting on why Adam Bandt was not in the race....

Mr Bandt was seen by some to have made a strategic mistake in closely aligning himself with colleague Sarah Hanson-Young and was not deemed to be sufficiently collegiate or co-operative for the leadership.

If you’re impressed by the child Senator, you have no right to be a leader. The sanctimony, arrogance, emotional showboating, abuse and utter indifference to consequences of public policy have no part in serious politics:
I couldn't agree more with his comments on SHY.
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Old 7th May 2015, 00:01
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SHY is not the problem, its the ones like her that are smart enough to come across as moderate.
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Old 8th May 2015, 08:03
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The majority of people getting onto rickety boats are self selecting economic immgrants. They are unwilling (or too lazy) to improve their lot in their own country and look to 'the West" for lifestyle and benefits, as well as family reunions aided and abetted by preceding self selecting economic immigrants
True, but is that any different from Australia's previous waves of migrants? From the Brits and the Irish during the 1800s, the Europeans post WWII and then the Asian migrants throughout the 80s and 90s, what's changed? Of course what has changed is that those previous migrants came with government (if not always popular) support, whereas the recent boat arrivals (as opposed to approved arrivals, of whom there are many) have not.

However, I don't see much difference with respect to their motivation. I'd guess that most of us would be descended from people who originally came to Australia for the reasons you list; to improve their lives, give their children a better chance of success and escape lousy conditions in their country of birth.

He's already proved himself a fruit loop. Just declared that the Greens are the natural home to progressive mainstream voters.
That's a naked pitch to mainstream left-wing voters who think Labor is too big, mean and big business-friendly (apologies to any conservative readers who have just spit whatever they're drinking over their keyboard ) . Given recent elections they've had some success with this pitch, poaching 5-10 percent from Labor's primary vote. The Labor machine alienates many wide-eyed leftie types with individualist tendancies and like the Dems before them, the Greens have been able to capitalise on this.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment about the Greenz wanting to shut Sydney airport and make all passengers catch a non-existent high-speed train to wherever the never-to-be-built airport won't be.
My guess is that the Greens will be burying that sort of thing (while of course leaving it on the agenda somewhere quiet ) in the interests of grabbing a bigger slice of the mainstream vote. They're definitely trying (with some success) to poach leftie voters from Labor, and I expect the SHY-style Greens will be sidelined to concentrate on the 'we're mainstream, honest' message. Of course that doesn't mean the true believers will go away, because the Greens are still the Greens and SHY is still SHY .

One of their problems as a party (particularly as a party with aspirations towards the mainstream) is that they have about as much internal discipline as a group of ten-year olds hanging out in a playground; their whole structure is based on individual branches loosely aligned to the party. That's not a problem for a small party, in fact it's part of the appeal. However, it doesn't endear said party to mainstream voters, because without fail, the loonies take over the asylum and alienate potential mainstream supporters. The political road is littered with the corpses of such parties (from both the right and the left) who started off sounding reasonable, only to collapse in an idealogical brawl between their extremist and moderate members. By definition extremists are louder, mouthier and more divisive, and tend to pull the whole thing apart before the party gains long term traction at the ballot box. One Nation springs to mind, as do the Democrats.

Without a strong party disciplinary system (which they can't introduce, for fear of becoming as 'bad' as Big Nasty Labor ) it will be interesting to see whether the Greens can maintain the 'mainstream, honest' message and keep the rowdies and mouth-foamers in line. Personally, I have doubts.

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Old 8th May 2015, 10:02
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I have relatives who live in Brighton .... that's the one in U.K. They have had a Greens M.P. since 2010 and according to the rellies everyone ....anyone normal that is.... have had enough of them. However the Greens in Brighton have increased their vote by 8,000 after the general election held in Britain yesterday. Perhaps all the previous Labour voters in Brighton couldn't bring themselves to vote Tory even if their own party of choice was so much on the nose.
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Old 8th May 2015, 10:09
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Not unlike what happened here a few short years ago. They see the Gweens in a different light now.
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Old 8th May 2015, 10:20
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The majority of people getting onto rickety boats are self selecting economic immgrants. They are unwilling (or too lazy) to improve their lot in their own country and look to 'the West" for lifestyle and benefits, as well as family reunions aided and abetted by preceding self selecting economic immigrants
True, but is that any different from Australia's previous waves of migrants? From the Brits and the Irish during the 1800s, the Europeans post WWII and then the Asian migrants throughout the 80s and 90s, what's changed?
With all due respect Worrals, I would submit that 'Australia's previous etc' are completely different in that they came here via Government selection if I may use the term, and that they did the following things; Settled in, attempted to integrate and in general, worked bloody hard to support themselves and rebuild their lives!

Of course what has changed is that those previous migrants came with government (if not always popular) support, whereas the recent boat arrivals (as opposed to approved arrivals, of which there are many) have not.
Yes! And also I submit that more than a few of the recent 'arrivals' seem to have an extremely exaggerated sense of 'entitlement,' a refusal to even attempt to integrate and also a distinct aversion to any forms of work!

Merely my opinion though.
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