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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 19th Apr 2015, 21:16
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The ABC could hardly hide their excitement this morning announcing that the Iranians had (gasp!) agreed to share "intelligence" with Australia in our shared battle against ISIS.

Why do I expect that sifting the disinformation from the information - the chaff from the wheat - will be a full time job for the Australians.

And what, I wonder, undisclosed by Ms Bishop, did we offer them in return?

Re the poor diddums complaining about police brutality: isn't it amazing how quick they are to use the freedoms to complain and the legal system here - the very things they want to replace - when it's to their advantage.

He says he and his family were scared. Good. I hope he retains that memory very, very clearly for the next forty years.
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Old 19th Apr 2015, 23:30
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Our foot in mouth PM has done it again,
"We had some arrests over the weekend of people who were planning a terrorist event on anzac day"

5 people were detained only one charged so far.
Why bother with a trial if the PM asserts they are guilty!


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Old 20th Apr 2015, 00:10
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"We had some arrests over the weekend of people who were planning a terrorist event on anzac day"
Why bother with a trial if the PM asserts they are guilty!
My bit nit picky arnt we. What was he supposed to put in, where accused of or something like that?
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 00:20
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From the way poor diddums described his apprehension by police at 3.00am before he was later released, I think 'arrest' would not be too inaccurate a term.

And on the subject of Julie Bishop and the Iranians, I see we'll be sharing "secret intelligence". Hoo hah! I worry about that 'sharing' word. Why is it that I feel Australia will be doing most of the sharing, and Iran 'sharing' with us only that 'intelligence' they want us to believe, as opposed to know.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 06:55
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill View Post
Our foot in mouth PM has done it again,
"We had some arrests over the weekend of people who were planning a terrorist event on anzac day"

5 people were detained only one charged do far.
Why bother with a trial if the PM asserts they are guilty!

So what would you like the Prime Minister to say, or is it a case of damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't?

I thought the comment made on the wireless summed up some of the professionally outraged: "If Tony Abbott discovered a cure for cancer, there would be those who would find it a cause to criticise him".
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 07:16
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You only have to look at farcebook where the ALPBC use every opportunity to run posts which have Tony Abbott's name in them. They know that it is guaranteed to get a couple of hundred posts which are ignorant, offensive, and critical of the PM. The latest is him having a beer after a footy match. To read some of the posts you'd think he'd been out murdering babies. And of course the exploits of a previous well-known drinker in the job are completely ignored!

Mickjoebill seems to be typical of the ilk on the ALPBC farcebook pages.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 07:43
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Bill Leak sums it up well in today's Australian:



(Paywall protected for a larger image, I'm afraid!)
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 08:21
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I thought the comment made on the wireless summed up some of the professionally outraged: "If Tony Abbott discovered a cure for cancer, there would be those who would find it a cause to criticise him".
True, but at least one leftie (and perennially enraged) commentator recognised that in a recent article. Leftie journo self-awareness is at least as rare as Conservative journo self-awareness, and should be encouraged.
Stop grinding your teeth, unpucker that sphincter, and admit Tony Abbott is right. Go on, unclench, breath out, you'll feel better for it. God knows what's come over him but for once in his life he's gone with the science and done the right thing.
Tony Abbott right to stick a needle in anti-vaxxers
Hmmmm... having once been a frequent visitor to Iran, I can safely say that Julie Bishop has managed to offend both camps in her wearing of a veil during her visit to that country.
Out of interest, what did you think of the place? After reading Peter Moore's The Wrong Way Home I've always wanted to visit, but as my nearest male relative isn't keen it's not likely at this stage.

Re the attire, my hunch is that the strange choice (it looked like she'd bought it second-hand at a Marvel Comics Convention after-party ) was an attempt to comply with hair covering regulations without looking too Muslim. If she'd worn a straight hijab she would have alienated the many Australians (not all Libs, either) who dislike them. If she'd refused to wear anything presumably the Iranians wouldn't have recieved her. IMO it's their country, so their dress rules apply; to do to otherwise would be like attending an event that specifies black-tie while wearing jeans. Bad manners, if nothing else. When in Rome....

Speaking of which, until at least the 1990s the Pope would only receive female vistors if they wore black (white if they were Catholic Queens) and covered their heads, and most female visitors still comply with that. It's not purely an Iranian thing.

The resulting outfit was kind of strange and I think she'd have been better off doing the Benazir Bhutto look (drapy scarf) and dodging the Marvel hat, but she's the Minister.

On another note (and I see she later reverted to the Bhutto look ), that Australian flag is...different. The fringing is cute, maybe we should go with that...

I don't know what the government is hoping to achieve with this visit . It's odd. Maybe there are wheels within wheels that we're not aware of. Either way, hopefully they will remember the adage that my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.

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Old 20th Apr 2015, 09:24
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Not wanting to be picky, but Iranian women don't wear the hijab (or anything like the curious outfit JB's handlers chose for her. (That hat was worthy of making it to Robert Maxwell's '10 biggest fashion disasters of the year' list.) They wear the chador, which is a far heavier outfit, (it can be a lot colder in Iran than further south in the Arabian Peninsula), and a real 'letter box' compared to the hijab, which can be quite flimsy. It's also quite often another (usually drab) colour rather than black.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 09:46
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Thanks for that, of course you are correct.
I understood that drapy scarfs with overcoat are okay, if only in the capital? Big floppy hats don't seem to feature.
Iran's fashion revolution | Al Bawaba
Of course this is not necessarily street wear. I guess they'd be throwing a chador over the top before venturing outside.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 09:55
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Originally Posted by John Eacott View Post
So what would you like the Prime Minister to say, or is it a case of damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't?
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Of course he can say they have been arrested, he shouldn't say they are terrorists just because the police tell him so, its up to the courts to decide!

He also said mh370 would be found soon! and accused all the villagers and emergency workers in Ukraine of stealing from victims of that atrocity, and then created unrealistic expectactions in loved ones that victim remains could be quickly repatriated if it were not for those nasty Russians.

He is pathetic at speaking fluidly, his long errs and pauses and idiotic repitition, for effect?, mark him as a company man who has to filter his thoughts rather than as a statesman who can speak with lucidity, precision and passion,
born from knowledge and conviction.

His failed execution of the British stiff upperlip presents iteslf as pouting. It is an affliction of a colonial wanna be or middle class english climber (both in his case!), a giveaway of someone who is not happy in their own skin.

Have a close look at footage of him escorting Willl and Kate around, his mouth was pouting like a fish out of water. A very un Australian character trait!

By the way, I watched him in parliament for three days recently from the vistors gallery with my teenage kids, they commented that he was one of the worst orators in parliment. I was very surprised that his projection is very weak and tone very narrow and thin (the close microphone disguises some of this).

Pity the microphone cant disguise the rest of his verbal inadequacies when he is speaking to or on behalf of Australians.


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Old 20th Apr 2015, 09:57
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I read that authorities are looking a closing down the study centre in Melbourne that the loonies like to hang out at...very good news.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 11:45
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Hopefully they'll be monitoring said loonies when they depart.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 11:55
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With any luck they will deport them
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 12:44
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Mick..... And Shorten,of course,is an orator of Churchillian stature.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 13:36
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He could be an orator of Chamberlain stature and still run rings around the current flog.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 23:19
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He could be an orator of Chamberlain stature and still run rings around the current flog.
Or orate like a statue and still be ahead
On another thread there is a discussion regarding dick smith entering polotics, now there is a man who says what he means and means what he says.
I agree there are few good orators, watching our parlimentarians in action live for three days was an eye opener in this respect. I'm not suggesting that being silver tongued is an imperative but that TA's deficiencies in the gab betray his underlying assetts as being 2nd rate prime minister.
A growing country like oz needs a navigator with a vision that reflects its citizens.
4% of Australians are in poverty and probably as many again on the borderline while housing affordability is hitting the wall and 45sq meter apartments in Melbourne cost more than a terrace in the UK.

Someone needs to get a grip, this generation of well off Australians are up to the challenge of change, but the next generation may be on their knees.

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Old 21st Apr 2015, 00:00
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And Julie was perfect speaker.........
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Old 22nd Apr 2015, 00:12
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Shorten et al have just declared war on the SFS again. They just don't get it, and expect those who work to look after themselves to pay more tax, again.

Which won't impact on the pollies, of course, so it's all aimed at those wicked plebs who are an easy target
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Old 22nd Apr 2015, 01:12
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Originally Posted by John Eacott View Post
Shorten et al have just declared war on the SFS again. They just don't get it, and expect those who work to look after themselves to pay more tax, again.
Presume you are talking about discussions to remove tax concessions? It is not a matter of paying "more" tax at all because until now you were, arguably unfairly, paying less tax than you would normally.

Cry me a river.
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