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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 31st Jan 2015, 09:56
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Perhaps more people listen to Alan Jones than meets the eye?
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:06
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Nah, worse than that. They listened to Newman!
2-3% is the usual 'Jones' effect according to people who spend too much time following elections. Not 10%; that takes real political ineptitude.
Personally I think a lot of people were amused by Jones, but didn't listen too hard. Needless to say the Sky Team are currently disagreeing with me.

Maybe the federal Libs need to buy a bunch of I'm NOT With Stupid t-shirts.
Queensland Election: 'I'm with stupid' t-shirt man's lawyer says arrest unjustified

Edit: More Brandis magic on Sky... 'Everyone' wants Tony Abbott to succeed. He's plucked! Brandis is plucked. If they keep it up, the government is plucked. Federally the Coalition have a much smaller majority than the LNP did in Queensland, but even with that historic majority Queensland is now going to bed unsure who'll be running the joint.
Newman and Abbott have a lot more in common than Brandis et al would like to admit, even to themselves.

LNP 40.2
ALP 38.6
GRN 8.5

A lot rides on how many Greens preferenced (and who to; Qld Green voters preference LNP at low but valid rates).
Total swing is currently 11.6 to the ALP.

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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:13
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Has Labor improved significantly since they were bulldozed at the last election?
As I said earlier, shame that the Australian people, as a whole, can accept all the good news, ignore the fact that they are being mortgaged out of existence by the ALP but can't handle the medicine when an effort is made to get the ship back on course. Seriously sad.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:17
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I pity the young people looking for jobs now and the older ones trying to hold on. (I mean real jobs, not govt handout positions)
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:22
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I pity the young people looking for jobs now and the older ones trying to hold on. (I mean real jobs, not govt handout positions)
Queensland had a low jobless rate until the LNP got in.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:29
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Be fair Worrals, as the figures will show, just like all Labour governments, be they state or federal, just about the first thing they do, on gaining office, is to double the size of the civil service, why?
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:29
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Worrals .... maybe many of the jobs were as, Takan says, government supplied. Or should that be taxpayer supplied.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:33
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I your neck of the woods perhaps; a bit further north and labour will clamp down on anything that shows promise of development. They always have and always will. (Presuming they will have the say after today).
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:34
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When they laid off a whole bunch of public servants they flooded the jobs market. Sure, plenty of these candidates were duds but plenty of them weren't.
Suddenly if you were applying for say an admin job, a health job, an operations job and so on, you were competing with a bunch of very competent, recently redundant former Queensland public servants.
Or should that be taxpayer supplied.
What do you pay taxes for? At least partly for services?? Who provides those services, whether it's your hospital admission, paving the major roads you use etc etc? One of the Qld LNP government's tricks was to outsource as many of these as they could. In many cases I hear this was more expensive (though I don't have the numbers to hand) and almost always the service was crappier. I think that impacted on today's vote.

Anyway, Newman is currently being gracious in defeat and gave a very good concession speech. If he had been that gracious in government he wouldn't have lost.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:36
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If he had been that gracious in government he wouldn't have lost.
Pretty fickle
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:39
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1) There was always going to be a large swing this election to compensate for the abnormal one last.

2) Federal Libs being on the nose adds a bit more.

3) Newman being an arrogant f#$wit adds more.


Basically They didn't sell themselves enough, can't think of any real policy stuff ups, unlike the feds.

As for Tony getting elected by a huge majority, we are not a presidential system, unless you have the senate your stuffed.

Basically he can't do what he wants to do. People have got to stop over blowing things.

Things have not been that bad in Aus the last ten or so years, hence no matter how bad the prognostic, no party is gong to get away with what can be seen as severe measures.

What does that mean, Newman got in last time because of two things, disillusionment with Labor and Newman sold the LNP well.

That didn't mean he had the authority to run amuck.

Conversely on the federal scene, Tony didn't win the last election, Labor lost it. What that means is from a punters perspective he had very limited room to move, no matter what the true believers might think.

At the end of the day, until where completely up the creek, the Libs will not have the moral authority to take drastic measures.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 10:43
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In your neck of the woods perhaps; a bit further north and labour will clamp down on anything that shows promise of development. They always have and always will.
Then why has the north swung Labor? Don't tell me it's because the electorate is stupid; 1. I'm with that argument and 2. it never get's trotted out when the Libs win. Then, suddenly the electorate gets smart...

Pretty fickle
Me or him?
If he hadn't abused and/or fought with practically every single Queenslander over the past three years then I don't think we'd be having this conversation, because the LNP would have won. Maybe by a reduced majority, but we wouldn't be waiting on the postals.
What does that mean, Newman got in last time because of two things, disillusionment with Labor and Newman sold the LNP well.
That didn't mean he had the authority to run amuck.
Yep. Howard's government went to the polls with a planned ten percent increase in tax and won. it's not impossible, but getting in, throwing your weight around with a big sense of entitlement and admitting that you lied your arse off does not automatically win you election number two.
Newman's LNP might have been honest about asset sales during this election campaign, but that was about the only thing they were honest about in the past three years. Prior to that, everything they've done has been a very nasty shock.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 12:19
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I didn't get who she was, a Female Lib federal member on the ABC News 24 panel, sort of said at the end of the broadcast, that Tony's speech on Monday is going to be pivitol.

She actually said the words....leadership spill...but quickly back tracked.

Edit..it was Jane Prentice.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-0...e-says/6060174

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Old 31st Jan 2015, 13:59
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Can't think of any policy stuff ups? Are you serious? Everything they touched turned into a disaster. Sacking of civil servants (despite what you may think of the policy itself all those sacked servants and their family and friends were sitting on the metaphorical verandah with baseball bats, waiting for the election), going to war with the judiciary, turning the CMC into a toothless tiger, doctor contracts, asset sales, appointment of an unpopular and under qualified Chief Magistrate (who we're stuck with), unemployment rate skyrocketing and deficit increasing (wow under a LNP government, talk about hypocrisy), environmental vandalism, need I go on? He's an arrogant sod too.

The election is not without its ironies either, now Newman also finds himself out of a job just like all those civil servants he sacked.

GOODBYE NEWMAN!
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 14:54
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Looks like Queenslanders saw through the dirty tactics and the quicky election before the opposition get any momentum chestnut.
https://independentaustralia.net/aus...erate-lnp,7321
Well done QLD, now let's get rid of the other muppet!
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:25
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Everything they touched turned into a disaster
Actually none of those policies where a disaster in their own right, more of small annoyances. For example sacking civil servants, please, average Jo Bloh non civil servants hate them. Going to war with the Judiciary, who cares certainly not bogans. The reef, well half of the bogans maybe. But frankly for most of the LNP and most of their base economy comes first.

The problem was it was too many small things at once, its a bit like the old saying its "in the noise", but if you get to much noise it raises the "DC" level.

He got too much noise, including from the feds

He isn't the only conservative premier to stuff up with money at the moment, ours has as well. I think they overestimated the mining boom and took advantage of it to try some "State" building, but thats come back to bite them in the @rse. Well thats how it is here anyway.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:36
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Well done Queensland, you got rid of that nasty Campbell Newman. Now what? How long will it be before you remember why you voted him in in the first place? Oh well, at least your bikies and your unions will be happy. Enjoy your three years of economic mis-managemnent, which your new government can always blame on the federal LNP government.
I see the adoring MSM are now trying to link the LNP’s loos in Queensland to the federal government’s performance.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 22:18
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Rh200, the weird thing was that bogans were talking about the judicial appointment. I don't think it's ever happened before.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 00:05
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the weird thing was that bogans were talking about the judicial appointment. I don't think it's ever happened before.
What was that?

Bogan talking!: WTF is a judicial appointment?. That seems wrong why can't I get one? sh!t how is that going to affect my beer? Sh!t is the price of beer going to go up? F#$k how is that going to affect me doing burnouts in front of other peoples houses in the middle of the night.

If the bogans where interested, its most likely becauase they thought it was going affect them somehow and not some noble cause. Unless it involves lycra and cycling, which invokes immediate hatred.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Captain Sand Dune View Post
I see the adoring MSM are now trying to link the LNP’s loos in Queensland to the federal government’s performance.
You believe them to be unrelated?

After this and what happened in Victoria, I don't think the NSW LNP shares in your confidence.
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