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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 6th Jul 2012, 20:44
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Labor's 'faceless men' turn on the Greens
PETER VAN ONSELEN, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR
LABOR's NSW secretary Sam Dastyari has declared a preference war on Julia Gillard's alliance partner the Greens without consulting the Prime Minister.
Just read the same thing.

The Labor organism is now in survival mode. Once the Greens have become ballast instead of bouyancy for Labor, it's over the side for the Greens. And as ever, it's the NSW Labor Right which is trying to control Labor nationally. This will be bloody, and good to watch. The Greens will squeal like stuck pigs.

"Most Greens voters put Labor ahead of the conservatives regardless of any Greens preference decision," Mr Dastyari said.

But the main aim of denying the Greens preferences is about sending a message to voters: "We need to squarely let voters know that the Greens and the Labor Party are very, very different political entities."

Mr Dastyari said the departure of Greens leader Bob Brown last month was a defining moment in the minor party's future, declaring Dr Brown as "the last Green with one foot in the real world".

"The Greens are to the Left what Pauline Hanson and One Nation are to the Right, and they share ridiculous, albeit different, economic agendas. With Bob Brown's departure, I can't see how the Greens have any chance of keeping extremism in check," he said.

"If I had to share a caucus room with the likes of Lee Rhiannon (who was elected to the senate at the 2010 election), I would have walked out too."

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Old 6th Jul 2012, 22:29
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That's unusual even for the Australian.
However the ABC continues to shamelessly promote left wing drivel.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 00:16
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Fran Kelly...
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 00:27
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Virginia Trioli.............
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 03:05
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but Emma Alberici and Tikki Fullarton are forgiven whatever their politics...

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 05:06
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People here are very quick to denigrate the so called 'Left' (which apparently is anyone who does not support the extreme 'Right') but it seems as though the employers and corporate leaders real agenda comes to light now and again as it has done today.
[IMG]The head of one of Australia's largest bakery chains, Brumby's, has quit after revelations he urged franchisees to increase prices and blame it on the carbon tax.[/IMG]
Perhaps the true believers of the extreme 'Right' might care to explain this latest example of opportunism just as with the case of the coffee shop who only hours after the start of the carbon tax put up their price for a coffee by fifty cents,which as a percentage of the cost of a cup is an absolute rort.

Those who attack unionists should realise that if it wasn't for employers like this then there wouldn't be any need for unions.

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 05:40
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Perhaps the true believers of the extreme 'Right' might care to explain
Don't think you will get much help here Lex, plenty of us Centre and Centre Right but no 'Extreme Right' I'm afraid.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 05:47
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Thing is though Lex it's really hard to tell what the effects of the carbon tax will be in the medium and long term *. Unlike the GST which was all measurable and we had plenty of time to prepare for it. It makes it hard for business when we really don't know how it is going to affect us or our suppliers so it's hard to plan ahead and set prices which will meet those surprises when they come..

eg I'm wondering what will happen to the cost of maintenance after the hangar gets its next electricity bill.

*Apart from turning government ministers into clowns

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 06:11
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People here are very quick to denigrate the so called 'Left'
Gee, wonder why?
Don't think you will get much help here Lex, plenty of us Centre and Centre Right but no 'Extreme Right' I'm afraid.
Not ALP or Green = Extreme Right, obviously....
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I think it's fairly obvious that most employers will like most human beings will make the most of any situation.The same thing happened with the GST which by the way was anything but clear to the australian population.John Hewson couldn't even tell us if a birthday cake would cost more.
John Howard lost a sizeable number of seats which was something like a stunning majority of 45 reduced down to 12.If he hadn't had such a large majority to start with he would have been tossed out a lot earlier.

Still I would like to hear from the Liberal true believers as to the revelation that a CEO advised franchisees to increase prices and then blame the carbon tax.

Opportunism is not limited to employees obviously and is the answer as to why unions are needed.By the way the person who posted that his cuppa increased dramatically should look for another barista.
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Still I would like to hear from the Liberal true believers as to the revelation that a CEO advised franchisees to increase prices and then blame the carbon tax.
I am no "Liberal true believer", rather a believer that this government is screwing the country to the wall, and therefore that Australia needs an election now. There's lots of us out there.
I assume you are referring to Brumby's managing director Deane Priest. Yup, a certified shyster who deserves whatever he gets. Still doesn't make the Carbon tax right now, does it?
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 07:14
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Brumby's man = cock up = loss of job.

Gillard et al = cock ups (on a grand scale) = still in job (but not for long)

See any kind of inconsistency there Lex?
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 07:23
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..and sliding under the radar -
ANOTHER boatload of Sri Lankan asylum seekers, this time 31 men and one girl, have made the long journey from home to Christmas Island.

The 32 passengers were transferred from their small fishing vessel to the island’s Flying Fish Cove this morning after their boat was intercepted late yesterday.

They are the latest in a surge of asylum seeker arrivals which is seeing boats being intercepted almost every day and, in some cases, twice daily.

Yesterday 38 Iraqi men, along with four Indonesian crew, were transferred to the island from Customs vessel the ACV Triton. The group had been on the Triton since last Friday when their asylum boat was intercepted at Ashmore Islands.

On Thursday, 162 Middle Eastern asylum seekers arrived after being picked up by the Navy on Wednesday when they claimed their vessel was in distress about 50 nautical miles south of Indonesia. The passengers were told to return to Indonesia but they refused.

The latest arrival this morning means passengers from 25 boats have arrived in Australia since Friday June 8.
This is really getting beyond a joke, and I damn near threw my coffee cup through the TV screen when that cretinous Milne woman came on screen prattling on abut "poor people struggling to make their way to Australuia to make a better lifr for themselves".

The Tamils now coming to Australia tried for 20+ years to "make a better life for themselves" in Sri Lanka by forcing young women to wear suicide vests and other novel "self improvement" schemes. They lost, and I don't see why Australia should accept a single one of them when they're ancestral home, where they can go if the don't like post war life Sri Lanka, is a short hop across the water from Sri Lanka in Tamil Nadu.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 07:38
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Labor's 'faceless men' target Greens without consulting PM

by: Peter van Onselen, contributing editor
From:The Australian
July 07, 201212:00AM

LABOR should consider preferencing the Greens last at the federal election, the party's NSW secretary Sam Dastyari says in a declaration of war on Julia Gillard's alliance partner made without consulting the Prime Minister.
I might not agree with Sam Dastyari's politics, but I can't fault his logic. The Greens have, almost singlehandedly, destroyed Labor (admittedly, with a huge helping hand from Julia Gillard, hence my 'almost').

How sensible this move is can be seen by how loudly Christine Milne is screaming. She recognises the truth - the Greens would disappear from the political scene without Labor preferences.

I know that when I vote, I start by putting the Greens as my very last preference and then fill in the rest. Anyone who has taken even the slightest interest in politics and has seen the disaster the Greens have been to Australia since 2007 would do the same.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 07:49
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I agree. The Greens have been like an incredibly destructive cuckoo in the ALP nest. The Greens have even managed to give environmentalism a bad name.

It seems that Gillard welcomed the Greens because since she first considered politics, she has been about one thing and one thing only - achieving power as soon as possible, and the Greens looked like a handy stepladder.

The rest of them must have decided to hook their wagons to hers despite any misgivings. They must have thought they'd deal with any little problems as they arose. Now, the ALP is facing destruction.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new Centre Left party appear, cleansed of Gillard, Rudd and any Green associations.

I think there's a saying about 'power without judgment'. Gillard has always been a powerful force (inexplicably enough) but it seems that she is sorely lacking in judgment.

When you think about it, Gillard has left a trail of devastation in her wake, at least since she was 'a naiive young solicitor' at Slater and Gordon.

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I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new Centre Left party appear, cleansed of Gillard, Rudd and any Green associations.
I'd have thought that Rudd would be its leader.

By the way Lex. I've done a few of those on-line profiling thingies over the years and have always come up as Centre Left.

I consider the behaviour of Rudd/Gillard (but particularly Gillard) to be bordering on the Stalinist.

OK, we don't have the gulags but we have a lot more detention centres than in 2006 and are continuing to move towards limiting free speech, media control, internet contro,l diminution of the armed forces and welfare dependency.............comrade.

It's the behaviour of this government and not an inbred suspicion of all things labor that is pushing me towards the only alternative.

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 08:11
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Dunno about Rudd, even from a Labor point of view. A very clever guy, no doubt, but what is his real agenda?

Having been almost shredded by Gillard, would the ALP take a punt on Rudd? As Richo pointed out, they've made it hard for themselves with the that lineup of ministers describing him as the worst person on the planet.

The howling and screeching from the Greens has begun:

NSW Labor right fires up Greens
BY ANDREA HAYWARD From: AAP July 07, 2012 5:23PM
The NSW Labor right faction has incensed the Australian Greens, pitting Greens leader Christine Milne against the party she helped form minority government in federal parliament.

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 10:03
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And all the rest of us have to do is to sit back and watch, and laugh, and revel in the self-inflicted injuries that the ALP have engineered for themselves and witness the exploding Watermelons.



It's going to be an entertaining few weeks.
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"Brumby's man = cock up = loss of job.

Gillard et al = cock ups (on a grand scale) = still in job (but not for long)

See any kind of inconsistency there Lex?"

Actually, Al there is no inconsistency at all.

Brumby's boss showed a complete disdain for their customers in an obvious and deliberate attempt of opportunism.He has now been forced to fall on his sword and I believe should now be prevented from holding such a position in any Australian business.

Politicians who do the same are shown the door at the next election which is what happened to John Howard in no uncertain fashion by not only losing the election but also his seat.Which is only the second time this has happened!

So nope there is no inconsistency at all but I think you might have a while to wait yet because the next Federal election is not due until Nov 2013 and as much as Tony Abbott and his supporters would like it I can't see Labor calling an early election.

As much as I am not in favour of the carbon tax the sky has not fallen in as Tony Abbott has prophesied so the longer the next election is away the less credibility that Tony Abbott has as an economic manager which is not really a surprise to most observers.

My only wish is that there was a third viable alternative because at the moment the proverbial drovers dog could win the next election for the opposition.

The problem is that there isn't.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 20:32
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Lex, look at the Gillard government squarely and honestly. How can you justify the following deceitful behaviour by Gillard? No wonder she is like a lead weight to Labor. Our PM is a liar - she claimed to be considering Wilkies' poker machine reforms while in fact she had ditched them seven months earlier:

THE federal government secretly aborted an $800,000 anti-pokies strategy in mid-2011, tender documents show.

The revelation has prompted furious independent Andrew Wilkie to accuse Julia Gillard of deliberately playing dead on her deal with him.

The government pretended for a further seven months that it would honour its power-sharing deal with Mr Wilkie, before finally dumping him in January 2012 -- once it had wooed rogue Liberal Peter Slipper to defect.

Confidential tender documents obtained by The Sunday Telegraph show contracts were awarded to consultants to prepare for a communications strategy to sell the scheme to the public in April 2011, only to be suspended in June 2011.

Mr Wilkie said the documents showed the government was never serious about honouring its deal.
How's that for 'complete disdain' for those suffering the effects of problem gambling?

And as for consistency, why is Ashby fair game and Thomson not? (other than that Peter Slipper is propping up the government):

Julia Gillard’s excuse for refusing to comment on findings of rorting union funds made against MP Craig Thomson, who still faces no court:

"I continue to believe that it is inappropriate for this Parliament to pre-judge matters which will ultimately be dealt with by the courts."

Why doesn't that apply to James Ashby, whose claim of sexual harassment by Peter Slipper is indeed before a court?

"Federal minister Anthony Albanese had compared the Ashby case to Watergate and called for the Australian Federal Police to investigate Mr Ashby’s behaviour… "

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