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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:14
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Personally I would go with the bookmakers. Be sorry to see it happen but the LNP could lose as many as 35-40 seats.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:23
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Either way he's not an Australian citizen
(Sir) Angus Houston was born in Scotland, the Australian of the Year and the Prime Minister were born in England. Who says we aren't multicultural.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:33
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Frankly so called Knighthoods And various other honors are a bit of a joke these days and they get handed out for all sorts of convenient reasons.

But to be fair the silly old coot has been active for most of his life in various ventures to help all sorts here and elsewhere. Mind you when you have nothing to do but be the Queens b!tch what else can you do.

The Duke of Edinbourgh award being one such thing. The knighthood things just a ceremonial bullsh!t award. Unless its handed out by the Queen, who cares.

The only problem I have is it gives all those people with small genitals that feel insecure and want a Republic and El Presidente oxygen.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:40
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Well at least we got her shipped off to England before she could do any damage here:

"THE public had a right to join or sympathise with a terrorist group like al-Qaeda or Islamic State and should not be punished for their beliefs, an Australian-born British political leader has declared.

The leader of the UK Green Party Natalie Bennett took to the airwaves in Britain yesterday to push her party’s agenda ahead of federal elections in May.

Speaking to BBC radio, the Sydney-born leader said under the Green Party, joining brutal terrorist groups like ISIS or al-Qaeda would not be illegal but committing acts of violence would..."

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:58
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Wow! I don't think even our 'beloved' Australian Greens Senator SHY would have Gone There. UK politics is a lot more divisive than the Aussie version. Joining ISIS is a crime in Australia under the federal Criminal Code, as (among others) they are a declared terrorist organization and joining or associating with them is illegal.
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For better or for worse, Australia has neither a Bill of Rights nor a guarantee of freedom of speech, though the HCA has found there is an implied right to freedom of political speech within the Australian Constitution.
The court decided that a right to freedom of political communication was essential to the system of representative government provided for in the Constitution. The court expressed the view that the reason why Australia does not have a bill of rights is because the framers of the Constitution believed that since Australia had a system of representative government, which gave all voters an equal share in political power, laws to protect rights were simply not necessary. To undermine the system of representative government was contrary to this trust which the people gave to the Parliaments, and was not permitted by the Constitution. Although this right is not an absolute one, it is still a right which allows for free and public political discussion.
The court also decided that the relevant laws, contained in Part IIID of the Broadcasting Act, were invalid because there was no reasonable justification for the way they restricted the freedom of political communication. The court decided that the laws also impaired certain functions of the States in terms of their rights to make political advertisements, and so the laws were also invalid for that reason.
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So far that right hasn't extended to joining organizations such as ISIS . It may protect the right of an Australian individual to form a political party based upon a religious POV (let's say, to advocate for Sharia Law in Austalia and accordingly campaign in a state or federal election). It would not prevent them getting hosed out at the aforementioned election, which is what would happen. Also, depending on their platform they could contravene s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.

Pending further cases, for an Australian pollie to say there was any sort of 'right' would be a bit dodgy, because for the most part we don't have 'rights' in Australia. This woman is not an Australian pollie (although she was born here); she is a British pollie, and the law is different there.
Angus Houston was born in Scotland, the Australian of the Year and the Prime Minister were born in England. Who says we aren't multicultural.
Of course, and no problem with that. However, from Wiki he emigrated to Australia in 1968 and joined the RAAF in 1970.
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Currently, to join the ADF (and the APS) generally you must be an Australian citizen. Being British (or even a Kiwi) doesn't count.
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Obviously prior to 1948 being a British subject and an Australian citizen were one and the same, though that doesn't apply in this case. Therefore, I'd assume that Air Chief Marshal Houston is at least a dual British/Australian citizen, so the question doesn't arise. Personally I don't care if people in either public service or public office are dual citizens, though I realise other Australians feel differently.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 10:35
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Worrals .. if Houston joined the RAAF in1970 he didn't have to be an Australian citizen ...... as didn't the 100s' of Poms who were called up and shipped off to Viet Nam in the 60s' etc.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 10:38
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Okay, then I'll stand corrected, thanks.
The question then is whether already serving members of the ADF were required to take out Australian citizenship when the regulations were later amended.
Anyone?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 10:53
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Worrals ... Prior to about 1980 ... give or take .... a British citizen could join the Australian armed forces without being a citizen of Australia. More than likely after the rules were changed they would have been advised to become an Australian citizen probably because of security reasons, i.e. if you're not an Aussie we won't clear you to work on anything remotely secure so ipso facto you don't have a job. Happened to me and I was a mere civvy working on defence projects. Ironically some of the Australian born blokes I worked with took a lot longer to be cleared than I, the foreigner,did.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 11:00
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if you're not an Aussie we won't clear you to work on anything remotely secure so ipso facto you don't have a job
That's as I recall it in the 2000s. Kiwis and Brits used to get a bit upset, but them was the rules. To join the APS (and the ADF) you had to be either an Australian citizen or eligible to become one within the next six months. Being a dual wasn't a problem.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 11:03
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bosnich,
Re your post 15791..
Are you sure?

My memory might be dimming, so I'm not arguing.
It's just that I was involved in that bullsh1t and I don't recall encountering any non-Australian conscripts.
Could you provide a reference for me, please?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 11:03
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Ethel .... as I remember it all the left leaning Numpties got their knickers in a twist when Abbott announced his Aussie knighthoods 12 months ago. Most seemed to think that such awards were irrelevant so why are they all now banging on about Phil getting a gong ?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 11:23
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Stanwell .... As I said to Worrals prior to 1980 ish ... and I'm sure someone on here will know the exact date .... if you were a British citizen you were regarded as an Australian citizen with reference to such things as voting rights, joining the civil service, the armed forces etc. and of course you were liable to National Service as well. This could lead some to believe that only Australian citizens were called up. Take a look at the casualty lists for Viet Nam. You'll find some who are listed as British and as I've said they did not have to be citizens. By the late 80s' when my youngest joined the ADF he had to be an Australian citizen. Funnily enough it took the Army nearly 12 months, after Infantry training, to discover that he was still a Pom and had him go down to Sydney and become one of God's chosen few or else they would chuck him out.
Before the changes newspapers carried adverts for the above jobs which stated something along the lines of " must be Australian citizens or of British descent".
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 12:14
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It was "The Regularisation of Status Program" in 1980 that changed a couple pf things. Residents were offered Citizenship, and rules changed in regards to requirements for citizenship in Public Service employment.

Not only were Brits who were residents in Australia required to register for National Service, at least 400 British Army soldiers joined the Australian Army in London and went straight into training for Vietnam. See 'Australia House Men'.

There's an interesting video on Brits serving in Vietnam if you have the time. Other than the SAS/SBS doing their thing on the periphery, most Brits who fought in Vietnam served with Australian forces.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 12:45
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Thanks Boz, it appears the right wing numbties are now getting their smalls in an uncomfortable creation for wearing. I guess Phill and Dum Dum have a lot in common when it comes to off the cuff chit chat.
I also understand Mr Hockey has told the great unwashed that he expects people to live longer and maybe even long enough to see him pass a budget

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 21:59
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Cheers for that, Hempy.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 05:28
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https://independentaustralia.net/pol...port-card,7302
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 07:20
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Ethel .... perhaps Hockey is, like most of us with at least half a brain, waiting for the Tart and the V8 enthusiast to die and then the world can carry on turning again.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 12:13
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I didn't know Abbott was a V8 enthusiast!
Where is Pyne the poodle in all this, surely he must still be on team Abbott,
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 21:31
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Ethel ... you really are a plonker.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 23:30
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Ethel,

By your posts you convey more about yourself than you do about Abbott and Pyne - you really are a plonker.

I didn't know Abbott was a V8 enthusiast!
Where is Pyne the poodle in all this, surely he must still be on team Abbott,
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