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Old 8th Jan 2015, 01:11
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And TheirABC managed to run every news bulletin on the wireless this morning without once using the words "Muslim" or "Islam".

3LO found nothing important to talk about re Paris in the hour and a half before the cricket, either. It really does seem to be a parallel universe over there.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 02:13
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If its about islamic nutters, don't waste your time with the idiotic ABC.

Go to a proper news source...

Jewish & Israel News | Algemeiner.com Breaking Alerts, Commentary, Insights Analysis and Blogs

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Old 8th Jan 2015, 02:17
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There were a time when the ABC was full on protecting people who make fun of religious nutters...

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Old 8th Jan 2015, 02:43
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And lets not fergett the BBC getting bomb and death threats because they broadcast Dave Allen. Threats reference about the 28 minute mark:

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Old 8th Jan 2015, 07:02
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For the first time in a while, I am actually very worried. After the events in Sydney, I wrote a long email to the PM.

I did not expect him to endorse all the ideas, (that some may consider radical), however I expected a bit more than the short PC filled bit of crp I just received from the PMs office in reply.

I am really worried that we are now look at a one term government. Tony is trying to be all things to all people, and it is just not working.

Within 3 years, the boats will be back, Cafes will be under attack, and Two Dads will be celebrating over her latte.

I really fear the fir the future, if the Libs cannot get the balls to take a stand now.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 07:52
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I fear Tony Abbott will go down in history with the nickname 'tin ear', for he doesn't seem capable of hearing - or should the more accurate word be 'heeding'? - anything that might stop what looks like being a defeat in the next election.

If the alternative government wasn't such an incredibly frightening prospect for the future of this nation, I'd say he deserves everything he gets for his 'tin ear'.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 08:36
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God help us, from SH-Y's Faceache page:

Deleted as it was a spoof, so not really fair to post it.

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Old 8th Jan 2015, 08:44
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I'd say he deserves everything he gets for his 'tin ear'.
Interesting, haven't heard that one before, in my younger days the name we used was, 'Cloth Eared"!
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 08:44
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I really hope that is not true...if it is...God help us.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 11:48
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In Oz - no need to attack cartoonists

The humans rights commission under gillian triggs will use 18c to shut them down - (no capitals as that might give some impression of respect)
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 15:34
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The original text. Facebook 1005 pm 15th December:

https://www.facebook.com/Senator.Sar...40063529350476

We are absolutely devastated to learn of the tragic end to the hostage incident in Sydney.
We extend our greatest sympathies and thoughts to all those affected by this incredible tragedy.
To the victims, their families and friends, police and health workers, and to anyone around the nation watching at home impacted by this morning’s tragic events our hearts go out to you.
It is critical that the nation comes together today.
We should comfort one another and open our arms in warm embrace to all peace-loving people regardless of faith, race or nationality.
We commend the courage and professionalism of the police and other emergency services involved.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 18:24
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 21:10
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I don't think we should hold our breaths waiting for the SMH or The Age to do a re-print of this article.

The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker

Doesn't quite fit the Fairfax 'narrative', does it?
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 22:19
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I think that piece in the New Yorker is brilliant. Finally the right things are being said.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 01:26
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Found this interesting graphic in relation to the "$6000 for every man, woman and child spent on welfare" every year.

Source: Spending figures from Budget 2014-15 divided by the population as at June 2014.

It doesn't quite fit the narrative oft-repeated in this thread, unsurprisingly.

Last edited by chuboy; 9th Jan 2015 at 01:56. Reason: Added a source to rescue the post from fairy-tale land
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 01:45
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via chuboy:
Found this interesting graphic in relation to the "$6000 for every man, woman and child spent on welfare" every year.

It doesn't quite fit the narrative oft-repeated in this thread, unsurprisingly.
When there's no reference to the source material of the graph the only narrative it fits is of the fairy tale type..












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Old 9th Jan 2015, 01:51
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I have to say that some of the cartoons that have come out in reaction to this awful killing have been superb. The two vertical pencils with the airliner flying towards them was brilliant, as were quite a few others.

I had thought that this outrage might have been the turning point, the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak that would cause all Western media to say 'screw you' and print en masse all the cartoons that continue to outrage the crazies. But no, only a very few publications have had the courage to do this. (Easy for me to say, I know - I don't have a corporate address a crazy can come to to do a reprise on what we saw in Paris. These newspapers and TV stations do. And they have staff whose safety - and lives - they have to consider.)

So, in effect, the crazies have won this round too. They have succeeded in their aim - to send a loud and clear message to the Western media that their prophet is off limits. And the Western media, with a few laudable exceptions, have complied. The rest have pixilated any 'offending' cartoons out in their reports.

Where the crazies have lost is that these attacks seem to have caused a few more people to lose their until now self-imposed blinkers and see what until now, they have refused to see - that we are, in fact, in a state of war. We might not until now have declared that to be so, but the other side has and have made no secret of that fact.

I can only hope that if they pull off another attack on a similar scale to the attacks of September 2001, (a possibility posited yesterday by none less than the head of MI5), the reaction of the West this time will be similar to the reaction to the attack by Japan on the US in 1941 rather than the mealy-mouthed, half-arsed reaction we have seen by the West to date.

If history is anything to go by, the country most likely to give as good as it takes and be willing to strike hard at the root of this madness, (and by that, I mean the men providing the money, not the mindless foot soldiers of islam), is the latest to be attacked - France.

It will be interesting to see what high profile and not so high profile people suffer 'unfortunate accidents' over the next few months.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 01:57
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
When there's no reference to the source material of the graph the only narrative it fits is of the fairy tale type..
My apologies. The source of the data in the graph is the 2014-15 national budget (so still a fairy tale? ).
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 06:51
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Considering the howls of outrage from virtually every talking head in our mainstream media that followed similar suggestions after the school killings recently in the US and the events in Sydney's Martin Place, this story is an interesting development.

Exclusive: After Westgate, Interpol Chief Ponders 'Armed Citizenry' - ABC News

Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said today the U.S. and the rest of the democratic world is at a security crossroads in the wake of last month's deadly al-Shabab attack at a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya – and suggested an answer could be in arming civilians.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Noble said there are really only two choices for protecting open societies from attacks like the one on Westgate mall where so-called "soft targets" are hit: either create secure perimeters around the locations or allow civilians to carry their own guns to protect themselves.

"Societies have to think about how they're going to approach the problem," Noble said. "One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves are so secure that in order to get into the soft target you're going to have to pass through extraordinary security."
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 07:36
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It seems to me that neither of those options is particularly pleasant, practical or even effective; nor are they the only options.

Take the arming of citizens. The gun lobby is fond of saying people, not guns, kill. While people with guns kill, the NRA and friends have a point. Having armed everyone, how do we control what they do? We've seen the 'green on green' attacks within the fully armed military. An armed society would present endless opportunities for would-be martyrs to go out in style.

On the other hand, pervasive high security would make life almost unbearable, and quite ionic if it were in the cause of freedom.

Nor is it a choice of only those two outcomes, arming ourselves or submitting to extreme security.

Both of those measures try to deal with the effect rather than the cause. The cause is certain poisonous messages contained within Islam which when acted upon literally as an expression of faith, produce murder.

The best answer may be to seek reform within Islam. I have no idea how this might be achieved, but it would surely involve what is taught in Islamic schools and what is preached in mosques.

Failure to reform the tenets of Islamic belief with respect to the non-Muslim world can only mean the continuation of atrocities by Islamists until one or other side collapses.

Every effort should be made to achieve reform in Islam. Until then, we should defend our way of life as robustly as we can, but the aim should be that reform.
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