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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 6th Jan 2015, 20:05
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There are plenty of job sites now that have an "add all to basket" or "apply to all" button, it's dead easy to send off hundreds of applications for no effort.

Ah, really? I had no idea...having never been unemployed...

I just started thinking about it now that unemployment is steadily increasing here under 'right wing' administrations.....how do you really apply for a job that may require, for example, 'minimum 4 years experience in a similar role', when you have no experience whatsoever in that particular field?

It occurs to me be to be utterly futile.....
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 20:38
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That's 'reins', Fleigs. Mr Newman has been reigning over Queensland by applying the economic reins to the previous gummit's excesses.

Queenslanders really are between a rock and hard place come Jan 31st, aren't they? Do they vote for the current mob, who seem to have ridden roughshod with a 'damn the consequences' attitude over Joe Public in many ways, or do they let the last mob back in? ('Mob' being the operative word.)

While I can understand the unwillingness of many to return the Newman government, a dispassionate observer would be tempted to say that putting Labor back in would be a clear case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. You don't have to love the people you vote for; you just have to hope they'll do a better job than the alternative.

I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but, (as I am very tempted to do come the next federal election), if I was in Queensland, I'd be tempted to vote 'none pf the above', perhaps with an even more pithy comment added as well.

The pundits seem to agree that the current government might just squeak back in, but that Campbell Newman will almost certainly get rolled in his seat. Would some see that as a win/win situation? Message sent loud and clear, but the proverbial nose remaining attached to face? If CN loses his seat, who would be the most likely replacement CLP leader?
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 21:11
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You need Joe Bjelke back in power Fliegs!
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 21:59
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Meanwhile, here in the UK, my income (without state benefit other than state age related pension) is such that IF I were also to be in gainful employment, I would be paying 49% of every day's pay in tax........

So why the hell should I work?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 09:44
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Joh's very own Son John has deserted the lying & deceitful LNP Mike!

They'll get back in, I reckon, but with a massive arse kicking....and in true 'Born to rule' arrogance, they'll scuttle any chance of a third term by continuing to run roughshod over the electorate and doing their deals with their very own 'faceless men'...and doing 180's on what they said they would / promise they would do....and all in a unicameral parliament!!

Meanwhile unemployment started to increase and continues to rise under Newmans regime........I think 3 years is probably long enough to show some results...but no....still all the previous bunch's fault....when everything's that said does not get backed by actual fact and numbers, people start to see through it.....no doubt in six years time the results will be just as dismal....and it'l still be the previous governments fault..

Small wonder why Joh's Son abandoned ship....highjacked by faceless men and minority special interest groups....oh crap who else does that sound like???
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 09:53
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I can't see this ever getting up, even if it was 101% valid. But wouldn't it put the cat among the pigeons if it did and those million votes that were posted a week before the election date had to be cast on the day of the election, particularly if photo ID and a computer-based electoral roll was involved, preventing double dipping?

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the current election system is beyond dodgy and is being manipulated by some players on at least one side of politics. You all know which side I mean.

Palmer United Party candidate Maria Rigoni says state election result was not valid
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 09:55
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What about the Queensland police these days?
But then, they're probably a bit more domesticated now - without Joh to tacitly approve of their activities.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:00
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A friend got laid off.
Told to attend 10 job interviews by the end of the week.
Applied for 11
Sanctioned 2 weeks benefit for disobedience
Replied that she had done MORE than requested
Sanctioned another 2 weeks benefit for questioning the decision.
Asked if that was fair.
2 weeks more sanction and escorted from the building roughly by security guards.

She got a job a few days later, but off her own bat, no thanks to the foreign private company which gets a lucrative government contract to get unemployed people into work.

You cannot make it up!
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:10
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They're still Cnuts Stanwell, by and large.....

I know a few, some rather Senior...and am realted to one, who are good men....but my dealings with them (rare as they are, as I am a law abiding citizen, only ever getting caught for speeding in areas that have been 90 since the dawn of time and being quietly reduced to 70, or 'special event' areas that are 80, 363 days of the year, being reduced to 40 by way of small sign, and copper hiding behind concrete pillar with speed gun)....

Engaging in polite conversation with a QLD copper is kinda like expecting a warm welcome from a Jihadist...yes yes I know they have an awful job, and mostly do it awfully well, but are they not trained to recognise a respectful law abiding member of the citizenry, rather than treating EVERYONE they come in contact with as a potential criminal??
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:12
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A friend got laid off.
Told to attend 10 job interviews by the end of the week.
Applied for 11
Sanctioned 2 weeks benefit for disobedience
Replied that she had done MORE than requested
Sanctioned another 2 weeks benefit for questioning the decision.
Asked if that was fair.
2 weeks more sanction and escorted from the building roughly by security guards.

She got a job a few days later, but off her own bat, no thanks to the foreign private company which gets a lucrative government contract to get unemployed people into work.

You cannot make it up!


WHAT!!! Really?? Sure she isn't a shit stirring antagonist??? Seems unduly harsh....
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:22
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Engaging in polite conversation with a QLD copper is kinda like expecting a warm welcome from a Jihadist...yes yes I know they have an awful job, and mostly do it awfully well, but are they not trained to recognise a respectful law abiding member of the citizenry, rather than treating EVERYONE they come in contact with as a potential criminal??
Traffic cops are a special breed.
A mate was getting booked by one of these "special breed" many years ago, and the copper was being particularly obnoxious during the whole event.

Mate says, "Prick of a job, isn't it?"

Copper agrees, somewhat guardedly.

Mate comes back with, "And it takes a total prick to do it, too - doesn't it?"

Didn't seem like a particularly clever statement to make, to me - but he reckoned the copper was already throwing the book at him, and nothing he could do, was going to improve the situation.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:50
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Does she think it would make any difference if people vote early? Surely most people have made their minds up before polling day.

I do a postal because I work on Saturdays. It also means I can avoid standing in a queue with screaming kids and getting hustled by brainwashed people trying to tell me "how to vote" (how undemocratic is that?!) and can take a bit of time doing research on minor parties because I always like to vote below the line.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. It's the senate system that needs sorting out.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:53
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Ah Basil!, far more observant than any Oz Pollie!!!

Rather famously we had our present PM, two elections ago state he'd do almost ANYTHING to be PM to try to garner favour with some independents (inference being not being sodomised by said independents) thankfully they saw right through him!!

China happily paid too much for Australian 'Dirt' for long enough to now be able to dictate cost and terms, (they have a magnificent stockpile of Oz 'Dirt' right now) the right wing loonies here in my state are still blind to this and think that China will pay top dollar forever! In fact want to spend my taxes building infrastructure that will hardly ever be used because China won't be using us as their quarry forever...they craked a fortune cookie and saw the obvious.....given how cheap Kim Il Howard sold our gas to them...I'd forgive any Chinaman for spilling their Puh Er tea sniggering over how stupid our 'leaders' are.......either major party....I suppose at least the 'Milky Bar' kid could communicate with them in Mandarin...which was something....I have a few Cantonese phrases...
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 11:06
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Who the hell came up with the amazing preferential voting system in the senate that can see someone who gets as few as 1500 primary votes get in on preferences?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 12:05
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I remember reading an article in Popular Science where some mathematicians posited that there was no voting system that is truly democratic.

I would be interested to hear what alternative you might suggest to preferential voting saltie. I think it works quite well, except that people can't number whole parties in the order they wish.

It's not like the shenanigans with the AMEP happen frequently. Actually it was pretty well unprecedented.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 12:23
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Fliegs - don't bother. Your original post is a mishmash of state and federal issues, and if you can't separate them you're better off just spoiling your ballot (and do are we, I think)
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 13:09
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A few years ago the WA labor party tried a quick snap election whilst the Libs were a tad disorganised, totally backfired on labor I believe partially due to the unsportsmanlike conduct. Could be similar in Banana land!
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 19:30
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Lets hope the LNP stay in, look at the alternative.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 01:02
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Re the paris shootings: I expect we’ll be told tonight by the ABC – (and the 150 people who watch The Project will be told by Waleed Ali) – that this was a ‘lone wolf pack’ attack.

Nothing to be seen here. Move along.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 01:10
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Last I heard on the radio was that the Paris police knew and had named the three terrorists and were looking for them. Already known to the police so the ABC will have their work cut out to sanitize it!


If Newman lost his seat is there a sufficiently senior LNP MP in a safe seat who might be persuaded to retire and allow Newman to take his seat? If there is then I suspect Newman will remain leader, after a short caretaker spell by one of his mates.
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