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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:25
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$50,000 is steeper than the fines for nude tweeting in the NBA!

In other news,

A driver is stuck in a traffic jam in Canberra. Nothing is moving!

Suddenly, a man knocks on the car window.

The driver rolls down his window and asks,

"What's going on?"

"Terrorists have kidnapped Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Adam Bandt, Clive Palmer and Bill Shorten. They are asking for a $10 million ransom, otherwise they are going to pour petrol on them and set them on fire. We going from car to car, taking Donations."

"How much is everyone giving, on average?"

"Most people are giving about 5 litres."
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:31
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I also blame Keating (doesn't happen often ).
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s trades were denigrated; school career councillors actively discouraged students from pursuing trades. I know, I was one of them. The POV was that if you had the marks for uni you should do a degree, even if that didn't lead to a career you'd either like or be any good at. While the no-fee uni degree scheme gave many people the chance to go to university (which was a good thing) it needed to be matched with a similar trade scheme, and unfortunately that didn't happen.

I have heard this is the way farmers like it
There is some of that, but there is still a labour shortage out west. The last couple of times I've been up north and/or out west my impresssion has been that most of the 'backpackers' are now European workers out here to get a job, rather than traditional backpackers who primarily come to Australia to travel. As you say, they'll work for sub-award wages and lower conditions than the locals (not that it's a new thing, Kiwis have been doing it for years ), but there aren't huge numbers of locals competing for those jobs. If the Europeans and Asians weren't around, I'm not sure that city Aussies would head up north/out bush to fill the positions.

Even the three levels of government struggle to attract suitably qualified staff to regional areas, and they can offer government conditions and job security. The sad fact is that most Australians would prefer to live and work in the coastal cities, and if they can find work there, that's where they'll stay.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:12
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study appliad science without working as tyre fitter for another two years. Our parents generation believed and made us strive for higher education.
And what was wrong with being a tyre fitter? Why strive for a higher education?

The devils in the detail, there still particular parts of society that think having a higher education is better, or they are better than the garbage truck driver.

I went and did all my higher up stuff, up including PhD purely for self interest. Though I do some consulting stuff, my main profession is still trade.

Though I can easily mingle with both professorial and bogans, I find the bogan side a more real life and realistic.

Society needs a mix, way to many people trying not get their hands dirty. Getting the mix right so you can get the right amount of innovation etc can be hard.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 04:08
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Andu, I've corresponded with Larry Pickering several times over the years and found him to be a very likeable bloke who always has time to respond to emails. Most of what we discussed revolved around my growing up in the Carlton Housing Commission Flats and as a Paper Boy selling The Herald in Swanston St in the early '70s.

Regarding some of the "Micky Mouse" degrees and vocational training, there has been too much emphasis placed on knowledge gained from books and arguments as opposed to on-the-job training. In an economic sense, knowledge is useless unless it is used for the production of some useful or saleable entity.

One of my first jobs ex-Uni was in a lab (surprise, surprise). 100s of hours of lab practice at uni and here I was qualified only for making agar gel for Petri dishes. The undergraduate maths came in handy for some graph plotting at work using y=mx+c level linear programming, although I was proficient in 2ns order differential equations.

The old approach to nursing seems to be the most practical. Have student nurses do collage for a few weeks and then work on the wards for a few weeks. They should still be able to qualify with a degree or diploma at the end of their training and even do post-graduate stuff, which seems all the rage. It infuriates me that so many people with Nursing Degrees can't get work as nurses and yet we import all these 457 visa nurses to fil the gaps. Many nurses who are lucky enough to have a job are doing double shifts, too.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 04:12
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What a catastrophe for the government, introducing a bill like this. I'm sure this will end just as well as everything else Abbott & Co have tried to implement (case in point - the Climate Change Authority is now being tasked with writing yet another 150 page report that will be shelved and forgotten about - so much for Direct Action on anything, all we got was a half-arsed compromise as usual, a section of government now neither abolished nor achieving anything material).

Secret government briefing admits metadata law cost and warns of 'internet tax' campaign

What is so hard about getting a warrant to catch kiddie porn peddlers that this kind of law is justifiable? Are we treating a symptom and not the cause, or is this just a lame excuse to paint citizens who appreciate their privacy as disgusting perverts?

By the way, if you read that the government doesn't record the URL of any websites you visit - keep in mind that they do record the IP addresses and that amounts to the same thing. The URL is translated into an IP address as you browse, and when the AFP are sifting through your metadata sometime in the not-so-distance future (), they will only have to type "98.158.194.181" (try it yourself) into the address bar and press Enter to see which sites you have been visiting.

If only George Orwell were alive to see this.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 04:58
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Worrals.... my 2 sons were the unfortunate recipients of the wisdom of that Labour "Icon" Keating, i.e. no need for tradies.
My eldest basically lied on an interview to get an apprenticeship. They were in such short supply in those days that a kid had to have year 12 or above to get one and there would still be a queue down the road for each position. His boss found out later but said he didn't care as the lad was the best apprentice he'd ever employed. He has gone on to hold management positions and earns a lot more than I ever did. The youngest son struggled with finding work that was in any way decent, both job wise and salary wise but he too has come good but it took him a long time.
With regard to qualifications.. bits of paper... etc. one of the best tradies that I ever had the pleasure of working with didn't have one piece of paper to his name. Mind you he left school at 14 years of age during the 2nd W.W. worked at Armstrong Whitworths at Castle Bromwich making Spitfires before fiddling his way out of that Reserved Occupation to join the RAF as a Tail gunner on Lancasters.
The war over he came to Australia, worked at Woomera, Weapons Research in Sth. Oz and around the world in different aircraft factories all the time without a single qualification to his name. Despite this his knowledge and ability in his trade was far in excess of anyone else in the shed and that was acknowledged by all who worked with him.
As for the back backers working on farms.... when I arrived in Adelaide in 1974 it was common for house wives to go fruit picking, working on farms etc. Obviously they are not needed nowadays due to the availability of young backpackers, cheap labour etc.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 05:25
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Chuboy .... I've just followed your suggestion and it told me that I had been on a site called PPRuNe.... and nothing else. Perhaps I need to get out more.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 05:46
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Originally Posted by bosnich71 View Post
Chuboy .... I've just followed your suggestion and it told me that I had been on a site called PPRuNe.... and nothing else. Perhaps I need to get out more.
I realise your comment is tongue-in-cheek... that number is uniquely associated with PPRuNe. Every other website you visit has its own IP address. Even if the government can't see the web address, working out which websites you were visiting is as easy as typing the numbers in - I used PPRuNe as an example since anyone in Australia who reads my post will end up with that number in their metadata.

You can identify "websites of interest", and then search metadata for the corresponding IP addresses to find people who have been visiting corners of the internet that are morally questionable to the government at the time. You're smart enough to work the rest out.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 06:00
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Chuboy ... it was tongue in cheek but thanks for the explanation ,I'm not au fait enough with confusers to work out thins such as I.P. addresses etc.
I was going to post a photo of G.C.H.Q. as an answer.... as in "I typed in your numbers and got this photo".... but I can't work out how to do it.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 06:35
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Boz,

Perhaps its a good thing that you can't? . That said, it's quite an amazing building in sunny Gloucestershire! Have a squiz on Google Earth.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 08:54
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Careful, Kenneth, they may be listening..... Amend that to, they are listening.


Not just the Tories/Liberals/Republicans etc. as some would have us all believe.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 09:03
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Where have I heard this before?

The claims of wrongdoing have been categorically rejected by Senator Peris, who joined parliament last year as a “captain’s pick” of former prime minister Julia Gillard.

“She’s rejected any wrongdoing. I take Senator Peris at her word,” Mr Shorten said on radio.

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Mr Thomson told reporters today: “There were reports yesterday and in the papers last night that are completely untrue. I have denied these allegations before, there is nothing there that is new at all. I am about to go in and continue to do my work representing the people of Dobell in this parliament.”

Ms Gillard has continued to stand by Mr Thomson, expressing her “full confidence” in him.

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They really cannot keep it in their pants, or alternatively, keep their pants on, can they?
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 09:28
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It's not exclusively a Labor problem.
Plonker MP who sent his mistress a picture of his manhood in a glass of wine, is dumped by his party but at least his wife forgives him | Daily Mail Online
Classy stuff.

Personally I don't really care about Senator Peris' pants or who visits them, but the allegation that she misappropriated public funds is concerning. At the moment it seems to be a he said-she said story, I guess time will tell if there's anything in it.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 10:15
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But there is one notable difference- the Labor party defends and protects them, even paying their legal bills; what did the LNP do ... Oh yes, they dumped him
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 10:49
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It wasn't an 'attempt' your honour, it was a blackmale success.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 11:19
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Government know what websites I'm visiting, hmmm, carefactor 0., know who I call, carefactor 0. I have a boring lifeBut legal

Frankly the more they collect the better, information overload. The fact is, the government getting that information isn't a problem, its all the potential third party commercial operators who mine our data already.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 12:21
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Worrals
Nova has a history of alleged creative use of government resources and taxpayer funds.

You might also expect that a celebrity gold medallist hailing from the small community that is the NT would be widely popular and respected. But she ain't.

Nothing to do with race or gender. Much to do with personality and morals.

But in that, she seems to be stereotypical of the bulk of the current labor elite. Probably why she was seen as the perfect "captain's pick" and meets Shorten's criteria for being described as a "fine Australian".

It's sad, really.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 20:37
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Nova has previous form in the creative accounting arena.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 21:46
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Oh yes, they dumped him
Eventually. Newman supported him and the other two idiots (Bates and Driscoll, who has now been charged with fraud) as long as he dared. He continues to support Bates. Plonker's been dumped by his branch with a fairly narrow majority; if they'd supported him I assume the LNP HQ would have endorsed him as the candidate, as they allowed him to nominate in the first place. Driscoll did resign from the party when it was obvious he was going to get turfed (and in that respect I agree with you; the LNP behaved a lot better than the ALP did wrt Thomson) but it still took quite a while. However, would the LNP have been so decisive if Driscoll held the balance of power (as with Thomson)? Personally I don't think so.

Bosnich/Cooda; I had a feeling that could be the case. From the start, she always smelled like a train-wreck candidate to me (which I think I said at the time, though that's many pages ago ). Whatever the party, IMO massive support from Canberra with little support from the locals is always a Big Red Flag.

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Old 31st Oct 2014, 00:02
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From what little I see from afar of the conservative side of Queensland politics and politicians, I can't help but feel that the Liberals in Canberra would not be unhappy if every one of their Queensland brethren were to collectively fall under the proverbial bus.

I can't help but feel we still have the remnants of the 'good old days' (!) of Joh BP existing in the attitudes of too many of the Country Party/Liberal politicians in Qld, which really undermines any attempt by the Federal conservative leadership to point out the shortcomings of the Labor Party. (The fact that Qld Labor as every bit as bad, if not worse, is lost to most of the MSM.)

As for Nova Peris, she has just about every tick in the box to put her in the ranks of Leftie royalty. Aboriginal (well, not much - far, far more Sri Lankan than Aboriginal from what I can see), female, gold medal winning Olympian - all she needed to tick every square was to declare herself homosexual.

The fact that with all these ticks in the box, she is NOT highly regarded by or even in favour with the vast majority of the Aboriginal population in the NT speaks volumes. The recent disclosures, which she has not denied, might give some indication why she has been - and remains - so on the nose with so many Aboriginals in the NT. Julia Gillard was at least consistent - she got it wrong every time.
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