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Old 19th Oct 2014, 11:12
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Its official, the leader of the opposition is an economic 'girlie man'. I see the ABC has brought out the big guns in the form of Wong, to comment on the tragic comment
F$%me, have we not got better things to do in this country, like actually running it than spending time on a harmless taking the p!ss comment. Hell the bloke even sounds like Arnie.
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 11:26
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You have missed the the first rule of Leftism: never miss a chance to be outraged.

I've just listened to two female lefties have a major case of the vapours over the girlie man comment on the Paul Murray show. Pathetic is too strong a word for their mock outrage - for 'mock' is definitely is.
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 20:11
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So. A brief few hours after announcing that Australian SF would not be going into Iraq, Julie Bishop announces that they will. Which translates that she - a mere woman - called the Iraqis' bluff and made them stand down over the main sticking point that saw the Americans pull out of Iraq, the Iraqi refusal to agree that foreign troops would not be subject to prosecution by Iraqi courts of some incident occurs.

I'd better be bloody right in this assumption, for if Bishop is the one whose bluff has been called and our soldiers have gone in without those legal protections, this government has screwed up hugely.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 01:40
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Oz troops not wanted in Iraq...

Aussies go home, Iraqi militias say
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 02:26
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Interesting that the Iraqis should be so upbeat about the capability of their armed forces, the last time they were confronted by the IS the Iraqi army dropped all it's weapons, including tanks, artillery and anti-aircraft weapons and ran away!
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 02:42
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I must say I think we'd be far better off out of it completely.

'Trust' and 'allies' are two words that simply aren't in the Arab lexicon.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 03:01
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You need to differentiate between the Iraqi armed forces and the militia. The militia have been holding there own and in some cases making gains.

The fact is the armed forces in Iraqi are c team, or f team. The question is do we want the militia running things? The main militia of the Sistani and co are fine, but all the smaller ones not so.

The fact is the Shia could wipe the floor with the Sunni's in Iraqi, but the question is, can we stomach the means? After all that is the methodology that ISIS use.

The ones that don't want us there are the ones that don't want democracy etc, they just want a Shia version of ISIS.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 03:09
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The ones that don't want us there are the ones that don't want democracy etc, they just want a Shia version of ISIS.
Yup. From Westerner's perspective, it is definitely a case of bad guys versus really bad guys. Whichever side wins, the West will
(a) receive no thanks (quite the opposite, in fact), and
(b) be hated with equal fervour by both sides.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 06:48
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Which is why we shouldn't be there. As much as I find the antics of ISIS abhorrent, we all know that once they are ousted another mob whom are as equally vicious will replace them. Arabs cannot cope with democracy, and only respect violence.
Better to concentrate on the enemies within our own borders.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 07:18
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Which is why we shouldn't be there
Thats one school of thought. The fact is the world in practice is border-less. The old rules still apply, if you don't pick a side then your enemy's will. The west shouldn't be to smug in its technological and social superiority, lest it learns a lesson several decades or century from now.

What you see on the media is not necessarily what the majority want, only the ones who are prepared to stand up. As I have said before, the vast majority of the Shia follow what Sistani wants, and so far he has been behind the democratic process.

Though the way things are going and looking at western society I wouldn't blame him if he gave it the flick as a bad joke.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 10:43
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If they don't want us there, fine, lets all go home. On the condition that WE declare a security zone around the whole feckin lot of them, with strict engagement with extreme prejudice with any of them who so much as set foot outside that perimeter. No one sells ANY weapons, ammunition, or anything else to any side. Let them kill each other, I don't give a flying **** any more.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:02
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No one sells ANY weapons, ammunition, or anything else to any side.
If you could get the French and the Russians (and the Yanks ) to agree then it just might work. Not going to happen though. Business is business, and all those Western land mine/rocket manufacturing companies have to answer to their shareholders.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:12
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On the other hand, enact all of the above except that the French, the Russians and The Yanks could all supply them with as many weapons as they can pay for.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:24
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The problem is that the aforementioned companies will supply on demand to the highest bidder, and that includes bidders on the wrong side. I know there are all sorts of laws and international treaties against that sort of thing, but they don't have much impact against commerce.
Governments don't control private companies, much as they'd like to think otherwise. While there's a fight to be had there will be (largely Western) companies ready to supply the tools to whichever (or both) side if they'll pay.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Worrals in the wilds
Business is business, and all those Western land mine/rocket manufacturing companies have to answer to their shareholders.
ISIS are looking after them quite nicely thanks, but the tank and rifle manfacturers shareholders need to pull their acts together and get some serious lobbying happening or it'll be a disaster!
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:55
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We are such a generous country, apparently we spent more money on procuring the next pirates of the Caribbean movie in Qld than we have offered for Ebola.
Good on yer tony dum dum!
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 13:27
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Nothing to stop you volunteering, Ethel
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 20:12
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Well Ethel, I am tired of the constant calls for aid to Sub Saharah Africa.
Not a month goes by without a call for MORE and MORE assistance to primitive sococieties living in their own filth and unable or unwilling to asist themselves.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 20:25
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I'm afraid the doe-eyed child whose photograph caused us all to contribute to any one of Bob Geldorf's charity drives grew up to become an AK47-toting gangster who couldn't keep his zipper done up. An Irish journalist wrote a hard-hitting article some years ago where he said that 99% of Africa's problems would be solved if African males could keep their dicks in their pants or confine themselves to one partner. Of course, the article outraged the Left and the aid 'industry'.
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 20:32
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Interesting result in a local by-election on the weekend.

Retiring labor member has held it since 2001. Current CLP government very much on the nose through being arrogantly inept.

Traditionally, by-elections here go against the sitting government.

However, labor experienced a 19% swing against it, down from 61% of the primary vote to 42%.

As only 4% went to the CLP, labor got back on preferences.

But the result has only served to further entrench the CLP's arrogance.
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