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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 17th Oct 2014, 07:49
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Finally, someone gets it........
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 07:54
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Total waste of bandwidth explaining what went down on the Tampa, chaps. In Ethel's world, it was all a dark, dastardly plot by the Howard government, carefully and callously contrived to get them re-elected.

The fact that a comfortable majority of the electorate - as they did the Whitlam sacking - found that 'plot' agreeable is totally lost on them and will always be, no matter how much evidence is thrust in their faces.

It would be interesting in the extreme for some enterprising journalist to take a look at what has become of all the Tampa passengers and what they have achieved in the years after being granted asylum in Australia. Also, how many of them have gone back to the countries they were fleeing from for holidays since being given Australian residency. My guess as to the answer to question 1 would be "not very much at all" and to question 2, "quite a few".
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 11:08
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The Navy can't board ships???
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 11:41
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Probably too busy cruising.( joke).
Why is it that everyone on hearing of such an operation such as Tampa immediately talks of the SAS ? There are other 'special forces' in the Australian military.
Heard on ABC tonight that the RAAF had ..... shock horror...... bombed someone and caused casualties. And there was me thinking that those super duper new Hornets were really intended for dropping Teddy Bears to naughty people with black flags.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 12:12
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It's a sad statement of the current state of our 'unified' (not) nation, but the announcement that (shock! horror!) our Hornets have caused (gasp!) casualties among the ranks of IS when they dropped their bombs will see a very good chance of for some hot-headed bro from Lakemba, with a sharp knife in hand, going out in search of some poor sod dressed in a RAAF uniform.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong in that rather bleak assessment.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 12:17
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FWIW, the Australian Government really ought to shut up about our operations in Iraq against ISIS.

Media releases about what we did and who we hit, what we hit them with and what happened when we hit them serve no useful purpose. What next...do we actually tell ISIS where we are going to hit them next so they can put the human shields in harm's way for maximum media exposure? This is war, not some media public-relations event! Get serious about it, and have a little regard for secrecy and operational security.

Just let the guys and gals over there get on with their jobs, and don't give the extremists embedded there (or here) any more information with which they can fuel their campaigns of hate.

Get the damn journalists out of the war-zones as well...they're part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 14:26
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I thought it was bleeding obvious. I would suggest it was insulting for an elite team of soldiers like the SAS were sent against malnourished and sick civilians.
Not there choice I am sure and hardly what they were set up for.
In my opinion I hope they do not get used as political pawns again.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 19:30
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Oh dear, Ethel.
I did think that one or two of your posts might just have had just a smidgen of cred.

Come outside your carefully tended garden sometime and we'll show you the real world.

BTW, can you bake the scones for next weekend?
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 19:44
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I would suggest it was insulting for an elite team of soldiers like the SAS were sent against malnourished and sick civilians
You think that could possibly be a mission assigned to SAS troops? Really?
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 19:45
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Gosh, whodathunkit, a government using its military forces for political purposes...

What world do you live in, Ethel? It's not this one.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 19:52
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criticalmass, my sentiments exactly. The press briefing by the Admiral was totally unnecessary. I'm really uncomfortable with the way the media are carrying on about the deployment of the F18s and the SF troops. It's like the very beginning of WW1.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 01:17
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It's like the very beginning of WW1.
Especially if some clown starts saying that 'it will probably all be over by Christmas;'

criticalmass; I have thought the same thing more than once just lately.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 02:03
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I'm sure most of the pollys and generals don't want any part in the press, but there is an unfortunate reality.

We have an almost continuous news coverage these days, your damed if you do, and damed if you don't. If you don't throw the press the meat they will just get it elsewhere.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 07:15
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Ethel ... of course Howard knew that the people who hi-jacked the Tampa were " malnourished sick civilians" that's why he sent the SAS. ( Irony in case you miss it Ethel).
P.s. You are still not answering questions, is this what you are taught to do by Liebour Party Central ?
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 12:58
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As far as I am concerned, the media should be ejected from war-zones posthaste. They're the equivalent of Police at a domestic...no-one wants them there in the first place, and they just get in the way. Let them make up whatever story they like...they've got sod-all credibility as it is, a few more porkies won't make much difference. The media don't drive events...they report on them, and if they can't get to the event then whatever they choose to say can be ignored or treated with the contempt so much of it richly deserves.

This is a war - a real one, not a Gulf War One or Gulf War Two - and it's going to be a very, very dirty one. Let the troops get on with the business of doing what they have been trained and tasked to do, by whatever means they feel is appropriate.

Any journalist who tries to get in the way of a soldier, sailor or airman doing his or her duty should get a one-way ticket back home and a cancelled passport for five years so they can reflect on the error of their ways.

This is a political, religious and cultural war; it will be murderous, ugly, brutal and scarifying. It is kill or be killed. No mercy, no prisoners and definitely no rules. The media have no part to play in this.

No man ever won a war by dying for his country. Wars are won by making vast numbers of your enemy die for their country, until there are none left to fight or they simply cannot sustain the struggle. That is the task. Out of fairness to our troops we must not allow them to be hindered or impeded in any way by journalists, camera-crews etc. To do so would be subversive and not in the best interests of our military personnel.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 16:47
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Criticalmass, I couldn't agree more about the press, I would take it further and prohibit cameras, mobile phones and video cameras. Let the troops get on with their jobs without having to look over their shoulders for their own people.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 20:13
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criticalmass, while you're absolutely correct in what you say, our chattering class is nowhere near reaching that conclusion and is never likely to be. Worse, we have senior leaders now running the ADF who have got there by being as much politically correct as by being military leaders.

I believe we'll have to have a totally 'backs to the wall' moment - by which time it will probably be too late - before the ADF is ever allowed to fight the way it did in New Ginnea in 1942-45
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 07:23
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Having seen what IS do to journalists and aid workers we can but hope there won't be too many volunteers to go into the front line anyway!
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 09:58
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Its official, the leader of the opposition is an economic 'girlie man'. I see the ABC has brought out the big guns in the form of Wong, to comment on the tragic comment.
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 10:34
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The ironic thing is Wong could also be thought of as a girlie man.
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