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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 17th Jul 2014, 06:12
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chuboy

Yeah, I believe you ! Not.

Outside of elections, they are biased in the slant, ever so subtle that they put on things.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 10:28
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Round of applause is deserved, this guy is really upsetting the lovies...

Senator James McGrath ridiculed by Labor as 'fruit loop' after calls for sale of 'biased' ABC - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 10:39
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Frankly, the ABC bias issue is overblown - a lie which if repeated often enough eventually because the truth. After reading Pickering or Bolt blogs or any of Rupert Murdoch's rags day after day, I can understand how it might seem a little left-wing in comparison, but it's all relative you see
Chuboy - as you well know, it is not all about any one incident or event, what it is all about is the length of air time that the ABC choose to give to the Left side of an event when compared to the very brief time the ABC, (and SBS tonight), choose to give to the right side of an event, therein lies the bias and it is real and it is there. Next time you watch Q & A on ABC watch how Jones times his interruptions to try and destroy the impact of anyone that does not conform to his agenda.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:12
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An example on the 6pm news tonight: Sarah HY mouthing off about the risks to 153 Asylum Seekers "being held below decks without windows on a navy ship", and no factual report of what the actual situation is, and no comment from any other party with a view on the matter (for example, at least they aren't drowning as their boat sinks, or whatever) or no balancing view. These examples are rife and can be found every day, on most news bulletins, and the AM, PM and The World Today programs.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:16
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Exactly.

During elections, the ABC is very careful, to provide the same time to both major parties (even 3 of them) and as an example, Jon Faine on 774 actually gives the times taken by both sides - and regardless, people still say he is biased !

But outside that, the above is exactly how the ABC slants things.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:26
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Someone mentioned Peta Credlin before, an article appeared in the media today of a pledge by her to help Coalition women plus some other interesting bits.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:38
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Another example: (and I accept that the demographics of the two stations are different, but...) on ABC Illawarra this morning and on radio 2GB, the topic of the day was the call to re-introduce corporal punishment. 94% of respondents to the poll on 2GB were in favour of it. (As I said, I accept, 2GB is Old Fart central.)

ABC Ilawarra? - a succession of (curiously enough, all male) callers, every one of them stridently, even passionately against it. (But not one of whom could suggest an alternative that would work.)

You cannot tell me that there wasn't the usual ABC off air culling of callers not fitting into the ABC Groupthink by the station's producers. Only those who fit into their Groupthink make it on air. 2GB at least let the odd naysayer on to be lambasted and pilloried by Jones, Hadley or Smith and not allowed to get a word in edgeways.

I also don't pay my taxes for 2GB, so they can have whatever prejudice they chose to have and if I don't like it, I don't listen to it. (Like Jones, who anytime I very briefly here him on air, goes well beyond my comfort level, so I listen to the ABC when he's on air.)
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:38
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Well that explains it. I don't watch the telly, I get all my news reading each outlet's respective websites. In that respect the ABC is leagues ahead of News Ltd and to a lesser extent Fairfax in terms of bias.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:41
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chuboy

You are missing the point.

They are ALL biased, web sites, TV, Radio, no one disputes that.

BUT, only the ABC is publicly funded by our taxes.

Hence why people jack up about it.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:48
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Originally Posted by MTOW View Post
You cannot tell me that there wasn't the usual ABC off air culling of callers not fitting into the ABC Groupthink by the station's producers. Only those who fit into their Groupthink make it on air. 2GB at least let the odd naysayer on to be lambasted and pilloried by Jones, Hadley or Smith and not allowed to get a word in edgeways.
I'd say there is plenty of 2GB groupthink as well - they just let the "odd one" through because a bit of contrary opinion gets everyone foaming at the mouth and agitated, especially when contrasted with an (artificially) large proportion of agreement. The subsequent validation of opinion is what keeps the old farts coming back to listen to 2GB's advertisers
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:51
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Which proves the point I made above your post that you don't get it.

Yes, the advertisers of 2GB, the one's who pay the bills is NOT public money.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:54
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I'm sorry chuboy, but I don't understand the manner in which you find the ABC website superior to News. Can you clarify please?
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 12:57
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Originally Posted by 500N View Post
chuboy

You are missing the point.

They are ALL biased, web sites, TV, Radio, no one disputes that.

BUT, only the ABC is publicly funded by our taxes.

Hence why people jack up about it.
I'm sure that plenty of my taxes have gone towards paying the wages of politicians whose views I disagree with. More still has probably gone towards healthcare for hateful people who I would rather died a slow and painful death. And, occasionally the ABC will broadcast something in a way that I don't necessarily sympathise with (good example from my perspective would be the CSG debacle in NSW).

My point is - the alternative is not all that much better. No public broadcaster at all? Nothing beats hearing only what advertisers want us to hear.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 13:03
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BUT, 2GB doesn't have a charter like the ABC does.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 13:07
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda View Post
I'm sorry chuboy, but I don't understand the manner in which you find the ABC website superior to News. Can you clarify please?
Just comparing the way two identical stories are presented I suppose. The articles themselves are written differently for starters - anything I read on News.com.au reads like a tabloid, whereas ABC at least resembles something worthy of a broadsheet. And actual news is generally hidden at the bottom of the page, underneath a bunch of other shite that wouldn't make it into a trashy magazine at the Woolies checkout.

The language itself is very much biased towards the Coalition government at News Ltd though - shamelessly so with some outlets (Daily Telegraph, Courier Mail come to mind).

As has been pointed out already though, Rupert Murdoch is perfectly entitled to run his business this way even if it is a little unethical given his market share.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 13:11
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BUT, 2GB doesn't have a charter like the ABC does.
Sorry 500N, I am reading your posts and agree with you wholeheartedly RE: what private companies publish as news. You've just posted something new every time I reply

IMHO, I think seeing what private companies dish up as news is argument enough against dismantling the ABC
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 13:18
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OK, we'll agree to disagree
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:05
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In my books, the ABC/Radio national 'should' be superior, but that can only be achieved with total and balance in all reporting political and environmental which has now become a form of politics.
A dose of salts through our dear old Auntie with some surgical removal of certain malignant growths would be more preferable than dismantling.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 23:18
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Takan, a serious question: if all the 'malignant bits' were to be 'surgically removed' from the ALPBC, would there be enough of the corpus remaining to sustain life?

I listen to the ABC almost daily - (I must have a wide masochist streak in me) - and despite it still being very good in some areas, in its political reporting, I really think it's beyond redemption.

I still remember 'The Argonauts' with more than a little fondness. As far as I'm aware, I was the only kid in my class who listened to that show, (I was one of the original 'latch key children', long before that became the norm), and I really believe I learned more from it than I did in the classroom. The ABC would do well to look back to those days to see how incredibly good they were at some things - where they didn't alienate 55% of their audience with their 'we know what's good for you whether you like it or not' bias.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 23:19
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Thanks chuboy

I guess we perceive things according to our own unconscious prejudices.

I can find little in the ABC's various forms of reporting that I consider to be accurate or balanced - when taken in context with other information sources. (Chris Uhlmann is the stand-out exception.)

I find the Australian to be somewhat more balanced but can't say the same for the NT News.

But my own prejudices probably stem from spending over 20 years as a government spin doctor (so being used to reading between the lines) and having a father who worked for the ABC for 30 years - until forced out by the Left.
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