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Old 17th Dec 2013, 06:59
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I just read that in the newspaper. I couldn't believe it, legal background or not,
dealing with manufacturing or not, the mind still boggles.

Hell, we have enough problems building military equipment without
any help from having people on the board like that.

Sorry, not a good move.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:15
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Gay marriage in church perhaps ..... but not the local Mosque of course.
They can lobby the Micks (Catholics) till their hearts are content, but it ain't gonna happen. Same with the non-mainstream Protestant churches; IMO a lot of Family First's primary vote in the last state election was due to quiet opposition to gay marriage and other 'lefty' issues from happy clapping types. The Muslims may get the headlines, but the Christian lobby is bigger and more influential than the Left likes to admit, hence (IMO) the ALP's shoulder-shrugging approach to the issue. They know who votes for them, even if they don't admit to it on Facebook.
If it's between consenting adults, let them have it and you mind your own business.
Personally I agree with you. It's a big Not My Problem. However, the much touted 'Australians support gay marriage' survey had a few interesting side results that haven't been so well publicised by the pro lobby.
But when asked how important same-sex marriage was in deciding their vote, 57 per cent of respondents said it was "not important at all". Even among those who supported legalising same-sex marriage, 49 per cent said the issue was "not important at all" in deciding their vote. Sixteen per cent said was "very important".
Gay marriage support up but it won't change poll
This is the political key. It's not a vote-changer. It might be right, it might be wrong or it might be in the middle, but when the Big (2500 respondents ) Poll comes up with the answer 'most people don't give a crap' then it's destined for the political back-burner, complete with motherhood statements for and against and little real action.
The Abbott government has appointed former Liberal MP Sophie Mirabella to the board of the government-owned naval shipbuilding firm ASC Pty Ltd.
Mrs Mirabella, who lost her Victorian seat of Indi at the September election despite the landslide Coalition victory, was one of three new appointments to the board announced on Tuesday.
Cushy jobs for the boys/girls when they cock up? Nah, that's just a Labor thing... like factions. The Libs are above all that.

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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:18
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"The Libs are above all that."

Never
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:25
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I've read elsewhere the rumour that Alexander Downer is soon to be appointed High Commissioner to London. It's too much to bear thinking about.

TA's nominee for the soon to be replaced Governor-General will be interesting: John Howard, David Flint or George Pell. He might even surprise and delight us by foisting one of his friendly fawning shock-jocks on the country.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:38
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...and delight us by foisting one of his friendly fawning shock-jocks on the country.
John Laws, GG... I think Pell Pot's a little busy right now, formulating all those excuses . Also, he's now got a leftie Pope to deal with. The old order changeth...
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:45
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I believe the role of GG should go to the retiring head of the armed forces and rotate every three years, above all, politicians, retired politicians and lawyers should be ineligible.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:48
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Back to the old days!
Seriously, what if the head of the Armed Forces doesn't want it? My understanding is that a certain popular and worthy General was asked by several governments to take on the job and told them where to stick it.

For well over a decade I've touted the theory that there is one living man Australians would accept as Dictator (in the Roman sense) if the times demanded it, and he's the man who repeatedly hasn't wanted to be GG.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 10:58
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You have again lumped what I have with my partner of nearly 31 years with bestiality *again*. Thank you for showing respect to what I share with my partner. There's nothing more appalling then to be compared to bestiality, for you have done so. You may disagree with that assumption but it is evident that it was implied.
For the record, whether a person is gay or not, is of no concern to me. The purpose of the statement was to point out some basic un-emotive facts. And that is, in some places ,and by a not insignificant percentage of the population, some things that we naturally think are wrong, is not that cut and dried.

I also dumped in the old adult incest scenario that seems to be in favor in Europe. The reality is, everyone has there own values on what they believe in, and they can be very different.

So the question is what morals are best, because that is in effect what societys are based on. And this is where the problem lay, we get caught up in emotion to fight an issue, and then on entirely different subjects we become hypocritical when it suits us and demand every thing is based on science.

As one poster has smugly pointed out, no societys have fallen due to allowing gay marriage. This is the sort of reply which looks good but is misleading.

The problem is with the fundamental philosophy of moral bracket creep. One could argue that a lot of the values we started dumping decades ago, has lead to the break up of the family unit etc. etc. and all the other ills we have today, in essence the church was right.

This is the problem when forcing apparent small social changes, sometimes you don't see the results for decades. The reality is there is no such thing as right or wrong, these are society concepts, theres only natural and unatural.

So the question is, whats the way forward, well I have no f%$#n idea. But I'm not afraid to discuss all sides unemotionally.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 11:11
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And that is, in some places ,and by a not insignificant percentage of the population, some things that we naturally think are wrong, is not that cut and dried.
Such as NSW . One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions.
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The 'old' ways are not necessarily the best ways.
One could argue that a lot of the values we started dumping decades ago, has lead to the break up of the family unit etc. etc. and all the other ills we have today, in essence the church was right.
I know at least one criminal barrister who agrees with you. Not that he's religious, but his personal opinion is that religious fear kept a lot of dithery people on the correct path, away from kids and animals .

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Old 17th Dec 2013, 11:18
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Such as NSW . One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions
Yes very sad, why does the thought of a banjo playing hilbilly come mind.

The 'old' ways are not necessarily the best ways.
Very true.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 22:56
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WITW- If the retiring head of the armed forces doesn't want to be GG then he doesn't get to be head of the armed forces! There are always at least three equally good candidates, probably more.


I don't believe that 74% of Australians agree with Gay marriage. 74% of the people asked maybe and I'll bet the pollsters never left the CBD!


Personally I think gay couples should be entitled to everything that hetro couples are, including divorce settlements, but they cannot call it marriage.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 23:43
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I don't believe that 74% of Australians agree with Gay marriage. 74% of the people asked maybe and I'll bet the pollsters never left the CBD!



Agree with that parabellum.
I would also suggest that the bandits get there own paradigm to dance to.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 23:55
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parabellum

"WITW- If the retiring head of the armed forces doesn't want to be GG then he doesn't get to be head of the armed forces! There are always at least three equally good candidates, probably more."

I disagree.

The head of the armed forces should be the best person for the job,
not the one who is picked because he said he will do the GG's job.

I think Cosgrove has said no to the GG's job, not sure if that is a
permanent No but will be interesting to see.

I would like to see Angus Houston get the GG job eventually.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 23:57
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"This after former Victorian premier Steve Bracks was sacked from his position as Australia's consul-general in New York with one of Julie Bishop' first decisions in her new position.Ms Bishop cited the appointment by Labour was ''inappropriate'' because of its proximity to the Federal election even though it was not in the caretaker period."


I believe he was sacked because he campaigned against the Liberals during the election yet he was supposed to represent the Liberal Gov't overseas. He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 00:13
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How Labor booby-trapped Australia's future
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 00:15
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Such as NSW . One of the big concerns here is that these people were supported by government benefits, and none of the government benefactors ever asked basic questions.
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The location doesn't surprise me at all. A mate of mine worked down there as an ambo for about 10 years, and he's got plenty of stories about the locals, and particularly the children delivered.

It really is Deliverance country, and I'd be surprised if this is the only family like that down there.
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 00:16
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…and Larry has it sorted!
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 00:32
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Ref. the G.G. job, why doesn't Abbott appoint someone who supports Australia becoming a Republic ?
Oh b****r that's already been done hasn't it ?
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 00:41
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why doesn't Abbott appoint someone who supports Australia becoming a Republic ?
Another one of those issues that is meaningless to the majority, and gets far to much air time for what its worth.
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 01:58
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I agree although I do sometimes think that should Oz become a Republic it would at least give my Australian mates one less thing to whinge about which is probably a major reason for most Aussies being in favour of the status quo.
Having said that if it does come to a vote then I believe it should be for those citizens born in Australia to be those who are asked to vote not every T.D & H or late arrival such as myself.
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