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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 5th Dec 2013, 13:48
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Flies, it's simplistic to say that the govt wants to increase debt. They want room to manoeuvre while they bring the debt down. Historically, conservative govts have reduced debt, while the Left has increased it. The health of the current account isn't the only measure of good governance, but it's a very important one, and is one that the recent Left govts managed very badly by any school of economic thought.

The fact is, the R/G/R govts were not good governments in most respects. The continuing outrage of some of its supporters at being soundly beaten in the last election is hard to understand. Australia has until 2016 a conservative government. It is a democratically elected, legitimate government - more 'legitimate' than Gillard's Labor/Greens/Independent coalition.

Anyone can object to it, but they should do so for sound reasons, not just out of childish pique. Not to accuse you of that, Fliegs, but have a look at some of the Leftist commentary around the media. They should grow up.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 19:55
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Not even thinly disguised Young Labor organisation GetUp! has a petition running to save "our" ABC, while at the other end of the scale, there's this petition Review of the ABC Petition also running demanding an inquiry. I suspect there'd be a few here who'd like to add their names to one of those petitions, perhaps more to the second one than to the GetUp! one.

Fleigs, your outrage sounds (to me at least) an awful lot like the apparent outrage of many of the hacks in the MSM and virtually everyone at the ALPBC who simply cannot seem to accept that the Labor Pardee is no longer in government. (Notice that I didn't say "running the country"? Because I don't think they ever were, unless you substitute an "i" for the first "n" in the verb in that last sentence.)

Some politician said a long time ago that it's all in the numbers. If you don't have the numbers, you get nothing done. I can live with the Libs doing deals with the Greens if the end result is positive (or what I consider to be positive) for the country. Virtually every deal Labor did with those same Greens, in my opinion, was negative in the extreme for the country, (although, as has been noted above, Julia Gillard might not have thought so).

I do not consider having to be more transparent in reporting debt levels (if that's the only price the Libs had to pay) to get the Greens' support to be an unacceptable price to pay.

The Coalition today has just developed another sudden migraine - (it's too big to be just a headache) - with the bomb that's just been dropped today, the announcement that GM Holden plans to stop car production in Australia by 2016. That's going to keep Labor foaming at the mouth as they attempt to drum up outrage over Christmas.

I can't even begin to imagine the effect this news is having at a lot of breakfast tables in Geelong and Adelaide.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 20:24
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Labor can take some of the blame for the Car Industry, after all,
how much serious looking at it was done in the last 6 years when
they were in power as opposed to just throwing money at it.

Like how could they restructure the car industry, how could they
set up other industries that can take workers from it, build other
industries around it but in a different area that is expanding ?
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 09:51
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Can I take over from Andu and start reporting the amount of asylum seeker boats,
That's 5 this week and 1 even managed to land on Xmas island undetected.
Too quote his honourable Mr Morrison " it's a big ocean and the boats are small"
Maybe not as easy as they thought!
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 10:23
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Tell me it isn't true... but are we even remotely surprised?

All charges have been dropped against Craig Thomson when the magistrate ruled that the charges could not be heard in Victoria.

As for the Burmese who arrived on the east coast of CI undetected "after their boat was wrecked"... My suspicion is that the people smugglers have come up with a new ploy, using a commercial cargo ship that just drops its unlisted passengers off as it passes close by CI and continues on its way.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 10:34
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an I take over from Andu and start reporting the amount of asylum seeker boats,
That's 5 this week and 1 even managed to land on Xmas island undetected.
Ethel, are we in any way surprised after Tony Abbott blinked and backed down over the the Indonesians refused to accept the survivors of an asylum seeker boat that foundered in Indonesian waters?

Quite a few here predicted that this would be seen as a clear signal to reopen the floodgates of hopefuls.

And so it has come to pass. We'll be back to daily arrivals, if not multiple daily arrivals within another week.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 12:00
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7 x 7

Craig Thomsom is still facing 145 charges that occurred in Victoria and these will be heard in the Melb Magistrates Court. 79 charges where the offense occurred outside of Vic have been dropped as they have been ruled out of the courts jurisdiction.

Source

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Old 6th Dec 2013, 12:54
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I think you may find the judge was very critical of the prosecution case and the main prosecution witness turned up trumps for the defence. Coupled with lots of MSM accusations regarding prostitutes and brothels that had already been investigated and dismissed by the federal police.
I think Mr Thompson deserves an apology and at least have his costs paid.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 13:36
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Tell me that was written with your tongue firmly in your cheek Ethel.

If it wasn't then one has to wonder what planet you inhabit.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 04:03
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Ethel ..... you are obviously NOT a member of the H.S.U.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 04:59
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Fliegs: "Davo, the 'Nayshuns' economy is in dire peril because of the previous gummint (apparently)....the present gummint wants to increase the country's debt even further....the Green Loonies are not keen for the Nayshun to get further in debt......the compromise is we ditch a debt ceiling, and the gummint of the day just let us know when they go a further 50 mill in to debt.? Seems all well and good to me, in lieu of a spending limit., just give us a heads up when you are going to bust another 50 mill..... "

You conveniently bury your head in the sand as to how the debt arose, and the reasons the debt ceiling has to be raised - so the government of the day can pay for the mess Labor left behind. But that's so typical of you lefties - lets spend other peoples money without thought as to where it will come from and who needs to foot he bill.
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 03:56
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It will be interesting to see if this gives the story any traction in the MSM.

A chapter in the soon to be published Inside Lawyers Ethics features Julia Gillard and The AWU Scandal - Michael Smith News

I can't imagine that Julia Gillard will be pleased with the Case Study that features her boyfriend, his misdeeds and her role before and after.
And this.

A fresh line of enquiry for the Royal Commission into Unions, the AWU, Ms Gillard and her partner Bruce Wilson Pt 2 - Michael Smith News
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 05:00
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First they help create the illegal arrival problem, then...

"...Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson questioned why Australia's purpose-built Southern Ocean patrol vessel, the ACV Ocean Protector, was at Christmas Island..."

Apparently Australia is supposed to support the sea sheeperd terrorists..

Send customs ship to stop whaling: Greens | News.com.au











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Old 8th Dec 2013, 05:07
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Flying

Yes, I did notice that and smiled.

Anyway, lets hope the Japs do a better ramming job this year
and send another of the boats to the bottom of the sea.

What's the score at present ?

Japs 1 Sea Shephard 0
French 1 Greenpeace 0

My kind of scoreline
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 08:30
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Well Christmas is near and the shopping is starting to build up. This is when the ABC shop does a roaring trade in DVDs, books etc.
But not from moi, not this year, or any other year from now on. Unless its notable political bias is removed, there will be no donations at all! Humbug.
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 09:57
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Well, that's an interesting little development.

ASIO cancels passports of 20 Sydney men - The West Australian
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 10:32
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Don't agree with this. ASIO should not have cancelled their passports.
They should have waited until any of the 20 went to Syria and then have refused to let them re-enter Australia. Problem solved.
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 10:36
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From the article:
Some of these guys were just young guys wanting to go on a holiday to Bali - they even packed their boardshorts," Ms Burrows said.
My heart bleeds for them. Guess they'll just have to slob it out on the Gold Coast. Cancelling a passport requires some seriously major grounds (even in the Howard Government's time ) so I'm standing by and very interested to hear about the reasons why the poor, boardshort wearing 'Aussies' with sick grannies overseas have been victimised.

Of course Bali hasn't got any Islamic extremists. If it did, there would have been a bombing or some other atrocity that we all remembered . There must have been some mistake...
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 11:05
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That was what I was thinking as well, Worralls. Cancelling a passport is not done lightly. I doubt these people were off to impress an ailing Granny with their surfing skills.
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Old 8th Dec 2013, 23:28
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Tend to agree with bosnich71 here. They should have let all of them head off to their sick Grannies back in Syria and then cancelled their passports.

At least that way the country would be rid of them!
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