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Old 28th Nov 2013, 03:11
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I think Abbott is trying to bring things back to where the media reports government actions and does not drive the political agenda, as it has become used to over the past 6 years.

This inevitably pisses off both the 'progressively minded' journos, who support greens/labor and the conservative types, who want to see immediate, draconian action against those damn pinko's and their fellow travellers.

His position is not improved by having a broadly partisan, unsupportive public service at the lower and middle echelons and a State media monolith that sees its role as being to undermine a popularly elected government .

It is a time honoured tradition that governments neither confirm nor deny alleged intelligence activities. Everyone knows its going on but editors used to understand the concept of keeping state secrets, well, secret.

His position is made more difficult by the Indonesians happily ramping up the 'outrage' to both maximize opportunity for reparation and for local consumption in an election environment.

By not dropping Rudd in it, Abbott is maintaining that tradition of non-disclosure. He is also minimizing Indonesia's opportunity to demand reparation.

Had he formally admitted that the Rudd government had spied on the Indonesian head of state etc, the pressure would have been on to publicly justify the actions. This would have inevitably led to further, tit for tat 'revelations' of spying by both sides and resulted in a real, long term breakdown in the relationship.

There was (and remains) a chance that the issue of Australian intelligence gathering will also drag in other Asian countries.

As it stands, we are looking at a short term, confected breakdown, which should resolve itself in the near future.

I am sure the Guardian/ABC Collective will seek to fan the flames with further judicious reporting of the Snowden papers.

If they do, at some stage, Brandis will have to dust off his copy of the laws against sedition.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 03:28
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Or bring back the D Notice (or whatever the last version was called). I always thought they were dumb to get rid of them.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 04:41
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Driving home this afternoon, I followed a ute with a teenage male driver sporting two large stickers on its tailboard. "Is it the truth, or did you read it in the Daily Telegraph?" and (I might not have the words quite right) "Is your News Limited, or the truth?"

In the suburb where I saw this, (God's Waiting Room), the kid might find himself assailed by a dozen octogenarians with their walking sticks.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 04:43
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Did you see on the Ch 9 news the other night, the Daily Mail is joining
forces to produce something out here !!!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 05:47
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Is it the truth, or did you read it in the Daily Telegraph?"
That is so good but its subtlety would be lost on its readership as well as those who are harangued, abused and shouted at each day by Jones, Hadley, Bolt and company!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 05:58
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Ken ..... could equally be, " is it the truth or did you read it in the Age, or see it on ' Our ABC'.
One thing is certain it's subtlety would also be lost on the readers/watchers of those august institutions.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 06:17
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Lets not forget that rudd killed over 1,000 people...

"...It’s worth repeating that when Rudd came to office there were just four boat people in detention centres. By the time he left office, more than 50,000 people had arrived, more than 1100 had perished in the attempt, at a cost of $11.5 billion and counting..."


The Left are living an asylum lie | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog











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Old 28th Nov 2013, 07:04
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Ms Devine writes very interesting stuff. Could we vote her the new news director at the ABC?
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 08:19
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Talk about exposing the left and what they stand for !!!

Love it, we need more of it and spread wider so more
people know what BS they sprout.



"Could we vote her the new news director at the ABC ?"

The ABC would have a collective heart attack if that went over the airwaves !!!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 08:28
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That's what I was counting on 500, the whole lot of them running out the front door of the ABC, while some real news was benn broadcast.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 09:29
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Alison CC -

They promised before the election to be a “no-surprises” government.

But since winning power the Abbott government has lengthened its list of broken promises and policy surprises by more than one a week.

Just two days ago, the Federal Minister for Education, Christopher Pyne, performed a brazen policy back-flip on school funding, saying he would no longer accept Labor's funding and overall model despite Tony Abbott making this pre-election promise: “We will honour the agreements that Labor has entered into. We will match the offers that Labor has made. We will make sure that no school is worse off.”

A few weeks ago, the Coalition's pre-election commitment to "turn back the boats" was broken after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison ended a tense standoff with Jakarta - which was refusing to accept a boatload of asylum seekers - by ordering the boat to be taken to Christmas Island.

Last month, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he wanted to increase the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. That was after the Coalition attacked the then Labor government's decision in May last year to raise Australia's debt ceiling from $250 billion to $300 billion, which Tony Abbott described at the time as "really extraordinary".

"What Joe Hockey is now doing on both the commission of cuts and on the issue of the debt ceiling is a million miles away from the expectations he gave the Australian people before the election," Labor finance spokesman Tony Burke said about the Coalition's recent decision to raise the debt limit.

Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government "which is transparent and open," saying "the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people."

Since then, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has implemented a highly restrictive regime regarding information on border protection.

The Coalition has also surprised voters by abolishing the portfolio of minister for science, sending no minister to climate talks in Poland, and deciding to only have one female cabinet minister.

These things appear to fly in the face of Mr Abbott's campaign launch pledge:

"We will be a no-surprises, no-excuses government, because you are sick of nasty surprises and lame excuses from people that you have trusted with your future."


Andu aside Alison.....the silence has been deafening hasn't it??? That mincing little Chris Haneef Pyne was on the radio this morning extolling the virtues of the howard model, back pedalling by this afternoon....

"Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government "which is transparent and open," saying "the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people."

That one is priceless isn't it! And its not even December!!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 09:51
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It’s embarrassing.

It’s divisive.

It’s a disgrace.

And it’s a complete waste of your tax dollars.

The Department of Defence has today shown exactly how hypocritical it is. On the one hand it’s complaining that it doesn’t get its hands on enough of the taxpayer dollar. And on the other, it’s producing rainbow-encrusted cuff-links for homosexual soldiers.


And they are issued free of charge, even though they are not part of any uniform (yet).

It’s all part of the process of gaying the Army, unleashed by the former Labor Minister for Defence, Stephen Smith.

In fact, the Army is so interested in homosexuality that its latest tri-annual journal was devoted to analysing the role of homosexual culture in Australia’s military. In contrast, over the last decade this periodical has featured well over 300 articles but just a single one has explored the influence of Islamic thought on the adversaries Aussie Diggers have faced in two wars.
This is not the military I served in.

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Old 28th Nov 2013, 09:56
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The debt ceiling is an imaginary limit , introduced by someone who liked to draw lines in the sand. Ho hum.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 10:04
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WTF Andu!?!?! Rainbow encrusted cuff links??

Mrs Fliegs and I have both gay and lesbo friends, and in both circumstances are in more committed long tern relationships the many hetero couples we know (many now divorced!)

But (not something I discuss with these friends) why is there such a push to one the hand be openly gay and proud of it yet want to be labelled as married???

Why can't you have something that bestows all the legal rights and obligations of marriage, but call it something else???

It is an anomaly I also observed with that Mardi Gras parade....I understood it to be a march of rights and freedom ..... and then they started to mock that Fred Nile....and as far as I could see they were then doing to others what they were marching against!!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 10:09
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The debt ceiling is an imaginary limit , introduced by someone who liked to draw lines in the sand, and is used then by both sides of politics to score cheap points (By definition)......There you go, fixed it for you!
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 10:34
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Fliegs .... the gay lobby has always been hypocritical hence, for example, the sexualisation of Nuns and Nurses at the annual love in up Oxford street.
A bit like all the Chardonay Socialists/Marxists/Maoists and the rest of the b****y ists who never moved to East Germany and other such socialist paradises during the cold war era.
Just accept the fact and you'll live longer with less stress.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 13:54
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Just to fill in the silence following Alison's post, I give you Andrew Bolt

Fairfax writer Gareth Hutchens attempt to paint Tony Abbott as a serial promise breaker is beyond parody. All motive, no facts:


But since winning power the Abbott government has lengthened its list of broken promises and policy surprises by more than one a week.

It has? A serious charge. So what’s the proof?





Two days ago, the Federal Minister for Education, Christopher Pyne, performed a brazen policy back-flip on school funding, saying he would no longer accept Labor’s funding and overall model despite Tony Abbott making this pre-election promise: “We will honour the agreements that Labor has entered into. We will match the offers that Labor has made. We will make sure that no school is worse off.”

I agree this suggests a broken promise, although the the agreements were allegedly not formally signed, and Labor’s offers will be matched for at least one more year and who knows after that.

Next?



A few weeks ago, the Coalition’s pre-election commitment to “turn back the boats” was broken after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison ended a tense standoff with Jakarta - which was refusing to accept a boatload of asylum seekers - by ordering the boat to be taken to Christmas Island.



Hutchens is deceptive. The full Coalition promise was to turn back boats were it was safe to do so. This boat had been disabled. It was not safe to turn around. No promise broken.




Last month, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he wanted to increase the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. That was after the Coalition attacked the then Labor government’s decision in May last year to raise Australia’s debt ceiling from $250 billion to $300 billion, which Tony Abbott described at the time as “really extraordinary”.

How is this a broken promise or surprise? The debt Labor left was in PEFO tipped to rise and rise. Labor has conceded a buffer was necessary and that conditions were worsening. The ceiling plainly needed to be lifted and the argument is whether it must eventually go up to, say, $450 billion or $500 billion. What promise was broken? What was so surprising?




Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government “which is transparent and open,” saying “the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people.”

Since then, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has implemented a highly restrictive regime regarding information on border protection.

What is hidden from the Australian people beyond information that could help people smugglers? The number of boat people arrivals and people in detention are still announced, every Friday. What has been kept hidden that is inconsistent with normal government handling of, say, information about current police, customs or military operations?



The Coalition has also surprised voters by abolishing the portfolio of minister for science, sending no minister to climate talks in Poland, and deciding to only have one female cabinet minister.

None of these represents broken promises, and to start listing what a government does that a reporter did not predict is a measure of what? The reporter’s inexperience? His failure to consider matters beforehand? What a ludicrous standard this government is being held to.

Abbott’s “no surprises” promise - to rational people - clearly referred to taking no action inconsistent with past promises and no major action for which he should have sought a mandate, such as a carbon tax.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 14:20
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"This is not the military I served in."

Not the one I served in.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 19:41
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and is used then by both sides of politics to score cheap points (By definition)......There you go, fixed it for you!
Glad you agree Fliegs.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 22:21
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Indonesian Air Force personnel have been caught trying to smuggle Australian native birds out of the country.

The birds were found on a 'gifted 'Hercules plane bound for Indonesia. The plane has now been grounded in Darwin.

As someone has said before me, you couldn't make this up.
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