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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 18th Nov 2013, 23:54
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From the Andrew Bolt site:
Should the government take any measures to bring the ALPBC back within the bounds of its charter, the howls of outrage over freedom of the press - which you can guarantee have already been written and recorded - will be screamed aloud from every hilltop.

I have thought, on more than one occasion since the September election, that the Leftie Girls and Boys Club that is the ABC of today have been quite consciously baiting the new government in an effort to elicit some sort of a reaction from it.

What they're currently doing over the Indonesian telephone tapping, particularly if they've been sitting on this information since June, as has been alleged, is out and out manipulation of the news for political purposes.
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 23:58
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Well it is true.

We had the Secret spy base, then the first lot of revelations and now this lot.

As per the article I posted above, the media are trying to drop Abbott
and his policies in it big time.
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 00:58
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I'd have to agree that the ABC seem to be taunting the government. They'll scream blue bloody murder if TA does anything to rein them in.
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 01:09
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They should probably be careful, I wouldn't put it past TA to get out the sword and with one fell swope, cut them off at the knees.

A la what Jeff Kennett did with the local councils in Vic, by the time they
knew about it, it was all over red rover !!!

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Old 19th Nov 2013, 01:40
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There'd be as many cheers as howls of protest if he did that 50ON. I wonder where they'd get to spruik their propaganda if they didn't have the taxpayer-funded platform - the ABC - as their vehicle? Online chat rooms?He'd have to slam the door on the place overnight or give all the Lefties their marching orders with no notice, which I think would be highly unlikely.

To only slightly misquote Kev Kerrigan, "I think we're all dreamin'."
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 03:04
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I don't think he'd quite go that far but he cold cut funding a bit
and get rid of a few people. Of course would still be howls of
protest but the message would be received.
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 04:37
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I think the talking heads at the ALPBC are counting on Abbott doing pretty much what 500N suggests, which will leave them all in place long enough to scream "Freedom of the press is being threatened!!!".

The only way to shut them up would be for notice to be served on each and every one of the labor luvvies (which is about 99% of them) with immediate effect, but I don't see Abbott or Turnbull having the cojones to do something as radical as that.

They - or ABC senior management - have to be made to adhere to the ABC charter, which is certainly not what they're doing now. Even if there was someone in ABC senior management who wanted to - (and I for one, I don't think there is such a beast in ABC senior management) - I don't think they would succeed to getting their on air and on screen 'personalities' to toe the line, because they appear to be totally in thrall to the staff unions within the ABC, which are to a (wo)man, rabidly Labor.
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 08:04
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Originally Posted by 500N
And now some may have succeeded in smashing Abbott’s warm relationship with Indonesia - a partnership critical in cracking down on people smugglers - by revealing Australia spied on Indonesian politicians
The political and diplomatic posturing you see is for domestic consumption; it's to keep the voters at home in Indonesia happy. It's all theatrics, and has no material impact on our relationship with Indonesia.

Keeping an eye on Indonesia and our regional neighbours is the main reason our intelligence agencies exist. The Indonesian government is very well aware of this, and always has been. Frankly, if the spooks in Canberra weren't actively trying to figure out what SBY was up to I'd be wondering what the hell they're spending my taxes on.

Every country with a foreign intelligence apparatus, including Indonesia and pretty much everyone else who isn't a microstate does exactly the same thing.

The fact Australia has an intelligence interest in Indonesia and its activities is a fact that's has been aired publicly on numerous occasions in the past. All five inquiries held thus far into the 1975 Balibo incident have touched on it in varying levels of detail. There's really no news here.

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Old 19th Nov 2013, 09:14
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"It's all theatrics, and has no material impact on our relationship with Indonesia."

Agree.

Many years ago, we were hosting a soldier from one of the SF units in Indonesia
and some shyte hit the fan while he was here. We just kept a low profile with him
for the week 'till it blew over.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 04:08
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Hmmm... the question needs to be asked just what our intelligence services are doing to monitor the activities within Australia of proven fifth columnists like the ABC..


The ABC has a proven track record of damaging Australia's interests. Why are Oz taxpayers paying for an organisation that costs Oz so much ???


Sell or close the cesspit of fifth columnists NOW.













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Old 20th Nov 2013, 04:15
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Agree.

They had some senior bloke in the media saying reporting stories like this is
in the public interest and then gave a couple of other examples.

The mind boggles.

Abbott might not be saying much but I bet you that something will happen
to the ABC in the next few years !
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 06:10
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I wonder if the ABC and friends have broken any laws in reporting the contents of the infomation released by Edward Snowdon. Would this material be clased as stolen and thus anyone releasing it could be charged with handing stolen goods. The ABC certainly couldn't argue that they didn't know the infomation was stolen, especially after sitting on the story for five months to cause maximum damage to the new government.

On another note the ABC complaining about an FOI request to find out what the top presenters are paid makes them absolute hypocrites.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 07:32
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Other questions aside, if the ALPBC has really sat on this so called story for five months, therefore by inference holding it until after the election to try and damage Tony Abbott.....if that is the case, then someone at the ABC should be charged with treason.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 08:32
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My understanding, albeit from the Horses (ABC's) mouth is that
they only had it a day (from ? The Guardian ?), the ABC ran it
past the lawyers and that day or the next ran the story.

Someone obviously had it and was sitting on it.

Everything (as in all the media stories in the last month)
have been too convenient.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 08:40
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Read this article, especially the second last paragraph. IMO, Richard Akland should be tried for treason without further notice. How dare he suggest for SBY to send 50000 people on boats in attempt to destroy our elected Prime Minister.

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Old 20th Nov 2013, 08:40
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I wonder if this covers their actions?

Crimes Act 1914, Sedition

Section 24A

An intention to effect any of the following purposes:
(a) to bring the Sovereign into hatred or contempt;(b) to urge disaffection against the following:(i) the Constitution;(ii) the Government of the Commonwealth;(iii) either House of the Parliament;(c) to urge another person to attempt, otherwise than by lawful means, to procure a change to any matter established by law in the Commonwealth;(d) to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between different groups so as to threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 09:17
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Don't you hate it when you tap out a well considered lengthy reply, only to reply and the post to disappear??? Happened last night on this thread...

You lot really won't be satisfied until you have the North Korean version of journalism will you?

Yeah yeah I think the overly leftist stance by the ABC sucks too, it's a shame that it's come to that, because any real and valid criticism of anything LNP will be howled down as biased forever more....a pity that the public broadcaster is the only alternate voice to the ever compliant MSM.

You'd never pick Maurice Newman as an ex ABC Chairman with comments like these!!

Coalition distances itself from Tony Abbott adviser's comments on 'high wages'

Shame it bought out that weedy little spineless opportunist Pyne, .......no maybe not so spineless to show his face in public after the Haneef fiasco. Oohh yeah we believe you Chrissy....it's not like you've never lied to us before!!

I'm sure I read here somewhere last night that this is all nothing, and it's just a game for the Indo media....maybe, maybe....but certainly what an embarrassment TA has been in the handling of this, completely out of his depth, and his inexperience shows.

Rudd could grate the nerve, even make you giggle in pity at him for uttering such phrases as 'go Australia', but boy he sure is the statesman alongside Mr Umm Ahh Umm Ahh Abbott....and where is Jools 'Asbestos' Bishop in all of this...the 'Foreign' Minister? MIA in India? Will she claim the cost of the pedicure as part of a study tour I wonder?

Unnervingly inept and inexperienced, and it umm ahh...shows.....
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 12:06
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Umm Ahh TA is deep and sincere over his regret re spy claims......why does the man not grow some balls? Why does he Umm Ahh all the time?

And what is this Indonesian BS about suspending boats? How would we know what boats are coming anyway? Scott Morrison (In Government) insists we should not know for 'operational reasons' but happy to scream from the roof tops whilst in opposition......hypocrites, traitorous bugggahs, liable to prosecution under the crimes act of 1914 Section 24A Part (D)

to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between different groups so as to threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth


It is LNP Modus operandi...
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 14:29
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And Juliar was such a powerhouse of public speaking and coherent policies?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 14:30
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Agree that the huff and puff from the Indons is for domestic use only. I think that Fliegs has got it entirely wrong in his assessment of TA versus Krudd as a statesman. TA is doing everything exactly right - by not making a complete arse of himself and Australia guarantees that the situation will be calmed down sooner rather than later.


It is also guaranteed that the Foreign Secretary and her staff are working the midnight shift to sort things out quietly and behind the scenes. I have no doubt that ASIO are supplying the evidence for TA/Bishop to present to the Indons with the words..."Keep on with this and we'll release this". Hopefully each side will continue monitoring the other peacefully in very short order.


That the ALPBC have, and continue, to blow this situation up is unforgiveable. It is obvious that they are seeking to embarrass TA and his elected Government to the maximum degree. I suspect that there will be a rebound on them from the general public. In any event if I were TA I would be giving the order that anyone drawing a wage or salary from the public purse is banned from appearing on any ABC programme until cleared to do so. The luvvies would scream their socks off and the opposition would love the chance for an uninterrupted swipe at the Government but the paucity of their arguments when they have no one to argue against would very soon wear thin.
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