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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 14th Nov 2013, 04:26
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Its just your average 'boganspeak'.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 05:06
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Speaking of the Labar Pardee leadership, what it it with speech impediments and inabiliDy to pronounce words correctly? Is it a requirement for the job? Hyperbowl, high dungeon, Tallyband, credibiliDy... and now wif etc...
Must be all that university educashun our labor leeders are gettin'..

I must admit to being surprisingly impressed with Red Kerry's conversation with Keating.

A particular standout was Keating's reflection that he spent 6 years in a blue collar job before entering politics while Hawke had gone from Uni to Oxford to being parachuted into the ACTU.

His views on the machinations of the left were also interesting.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 06:20
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The Liberal government has announced an inquiry into the Rudd Labour government's insulation debacle.
Am I being cynical or could this be the reason for Mr.Rudd departing the parliament.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 06:33
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Loved this one from the Tim Blair site.

That Kiwi accent is proving difficult to master, but I’ll give it another go: “Gd ruddance”.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 06:47
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The Liberal government has announced an inquiry into the Rudd Labour government's insulation debacle.
At a time when Honest Joe reckons he has a 'budget emergency', this witch hunt will be a total waste of money, especially as there's already been several enquiries. I would hope that a Term of Reference will cover the States' responsibilities. They do, after all, regulate work safety and trade standards and licensing. This enquiry will be a total sham designed to deliver specific findings; you don't need to be a Rhodes Scholar to make this deduction. It's the ultimate act of Liberal Bastardry.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 06:52
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Sky News reporting that Jessica Rudd has tweeted that she won't be entering politics "just now".
I thought that was a bit quick for a pre-selection, even if it was a rigged one.
A particular standout was Keating's reflection that he spent 6 years in a blue collar job before entering politics while Hawke had gone from Uni to Oxford to being parachuted into the ACTU.
IIRC Hawkey was the ACTU's first industrial law expert and many of the old guard were concerned about hiring a non-union academic who hadn't been through the delegate / official mill first. However, he hepled them get some big wins fairly quickly and the rest was history.

These days it's quite common for unions to directly employ people straight out of uni (regretably common IMO, the lack of real world employment experience doesn't always make for good unionists or good pollies) but at the time it was a new thing and many people besides Keating resented him for it.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 07:02
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Hawke was the creation of Pytor Abeles, and many of his successes were manufactured by Abeles to build his boy's reputation. It paid off for Abeles big time in the late 80os and early 90s, the real coup de main being Hawke's pulling the pin on Abele's then main competitor, Compass Airlines, in the week immediately before Christmas. (It was later discovered that Ansett was within two weeks of having to close down and was saved only by that 'fortituitous' decision of the Hawke Government.)

Moving forward to current times, this also from the Tim Blair blog:

“It’s the mind-boggling condescension; the grotesque narcissism; the pretentious over-analysis of everything; the ludicrous thesaurus-mined vocabulary, that makes his every speech a weird froth of verbiage devoid of actual meaning; the overwhelming smugness; the insufferable conceit; the off-the-scale self-regard; the insane, all-consuming craving for unanimous awed recognition as the smartest person in the room (and any room); the teenage levels of self-aggrandisement; the hilarious bigging-up name-dropping; the crass, bathetic, utter inability to relate to anyone below his perceived level, AKA everybody; the primed-to-explode grievances that fester behind the rictus smile; the ridiculous OCD of the just-so white-shirt-coloured-tie-and-navy-suit – unless it’s a weekend and it’s the ridiculous OCD of the just-so-khaki-chinos-and-chambray-shirt; the painful fakeness of the manufactured persona; the desperate fist-clenching as he suppresses the anger that ordinary people make him feel; the lightning speed to perceive a slight; the drawn-out hundred-fold revenge in return; the delight in humiliating tho
No idea of who he could be writing about.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 08:50
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 09:47
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"Abbott has two glaring weak points the Labor opposition will - and should - exploit mercilessly; the increase to $500 billion deficit - and the boats."
And I think they should too.... Abbott is wedging them on the debt issue, because if they oppose an increase, he'll then renege on his promise to continue funding the ALP big ticket items i.e. NDIS etc.

I also believe the LNP has the will and resolve to stare down the Indonesians, and they will stop the boats.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 11:08
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I agree Ovation. I think the Indonesians are underestimating our man Tony. I think that they think they are dealing with another Rudd/ Gillard soft touch. I am hoping that in the very near future they are going to find out just how wrong they are.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 13:52
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"I think the Indonesians are underestimating our man Tony."

I agree.

He is quite happy to lose the "odd" battle to win the war.

I think the spying thing was an unforeseen hiccup that
has complicated the process he was going down.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 14:12
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Interesting article in The Age re Asylum seekers.
It seems Abbott and co are really playing hard ball.

Asylum policy of deterrence threatening families

Asylum seekers being detained on Christmas Island and off shore on Nauru and Manus Island are being subjected to a regime of coercion and intimidation and living in appalling conditions in a deliberate bid to force them to go home.

The Abbott government policy of deterrence is being felt in every corner of the detention system from the moment people get on boats in Indonesia right through to the hot, cramped tent camps and World War II bunkers asylum seekers are forced to live in on Nauru and Manus Island

This is interesting comment
"''The leash is off,'' said Pamela Curr from the Asylum Seekers Resource Centre. ''The hardliners in the Immigration Department can do what they like. And family separation is the tool of choice. They can say what they like, it's happening,'' Curr said. ''Under the old government it occurred but it was usually incompetence. Now it is deliberate. They are separating families on the wharf at Christmas Island.''


Asylum policy of deterrence threatening families
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 15:12
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If you don't want to get separated from your family..don't get on an illegal boat, probably one with an engine that doesn't work.

Use the thousands of dollars you pay smugglers ( and where does the money come from), to pay for applications to come to Australia by legal means.

Last time I checked, Australia was accepting immigrants ( we must be, every Shell Petrol station I go into these days is run by a hard working Indian family), just do it by legal means, ISO on a leaking, unseaworthy boat and hoping to go on the gravy train of benefits for life.

As I have said before, I have to support my disabled son. As do hundreds of other Australian parents. Our children cannot get access to things provided to illegal boat arrivals, especially if their parents work hard and earn good money.

Come through legal means, I don't have a problem. As long as you integrate, work hard and realise that you are moving into my culture and you have to change to accept us, not the other way around.

Come on an illegal boat, and expect nothing...but a tax payer funded tent.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 15:23
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Same here re petrol stations, but the one I like to use down the road
gives far better service than when the previous owners had it.

I think they might be Pakistanis but not 100% sure.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 22:24
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and World War II bunkers asylum seekers are forced to live in on Nauru
and that is there own fault, they shouldn't have set fire to and done millions of dollars worth of damage to the quarters they had before the fire!
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 22:34
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Do have significant problem with Tony Abbotts support of George Pell and his bunch of paedophiles - sorry, clergy.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 22:35
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Agree.

Personally, I think they should be given as basic accommodation as required -
roof, walls, windows, lights, electricity and communal cooking / food served up.

All this Air con and other luxuries, etc, way OTT IMHO.

Give them a TV and some sports equipment to keep them occupied, until they are returned home. Money only provided on landing when they are returned, not before.


They are going to get awfully hot with the build up and wet season
just about to start
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 22:37
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So do I and it seems a lot of others.

Not sure why he came out in support of that prick.

I think Pell has done more damage than good with his comments
and hindrance in the last few years.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 22:48
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"Under the old government it occurred but it was usually incompetence"


Heh, remind her, if it wern't for the incompetence of labore this whole fiasco wouldn't of happened..











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Old 14th Nov 2013, 23:11
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and that is there own fault, they shouldn't have set fire to and done millions of dollars worth of damage to the quarters they had before the fire!
I think it would be a safe bet to say that those who did the burning down at Nauru are all in Oz now on bridging visas. Not sure of the time line, but I think the 'old management' were still in charge then, weren't they?

I see a Royal commission has been called on the insulation debacle. I wonder if that had any bearing on Rudd's decision to go.

I also see that a name is appearing on quite a few sites identifying the 'senior Labor politician' who a woman, some thirty years after the event, is saying raped her at a Labor Pardee camp on the Bellarine Peninsula. If that story gains even a little traction in the mainstream media, it will muddy the waters for Labor, (to put it mildly!) particularly if a double dissolution is called.

I must say I'm uncomfortable in the extreme with this particular matter. Why has the woman waited 30+ years to make a complaint? I know such matters can be incredibly complicated for a woman who has undergone such an event - there's a parallel to veterans who manage to maintain a halfway normal life and then go into crisis 30+ years after coming home from a war - but I think, unless evidence comes to light that is absolutely clear-cut and damning, it would be unfortunate in the extreme for the career of the politician concerned to suffer over allegations over something he did (or did not do) 30+ years ago.

Even if totally innocent, the politician concerned will suffer if this gains traction, his cries of innocence not helped by the reputation he has gained in his personal life in the years since.

Even in this so-called permissive age, this kind of thing is always untidy to say the least, with even innocent people suffering damage to their reputations. I think there's be few of us who'd be totally comfortable with a forensic examination of every sexual relationship we had in our past, particularly in our youth. I think there'd be quite a few men of my age - certainly myself - who would have to admit if pressed that there might be one or two ladies we 'knew' (or 'almost knew') in the Biblical sense back in our youth who could say with some degree of accuracy that we might have pressed our attentions upon them beyond what would be considered politically correct today.

Dirty business, politics.
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