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Old 4th Oct 2013, 03:52
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Yep .
Many Indian feminists said the same thing after the Delhi rape/murder.
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A bit off course, but yet another female M.P. only this time a British one rabbiting about sexism, call it what you will,which just goes to prove that it isn't only an Australian thing.
British Liberal Democrat M.P. (Miss, Mrs. Ms.) ? Jo Swinson, minister for Women and Equalities has just suggested that women should ask male colleagues how much they earn as a way for women to achieve equal pay with males.
A couple of points ...
Is there a minister for men and equalities?
Her statement came during an interview with Elle magazine, is there a Lui magazine, staffed entirely by blokes naturally?
If I, a man, was ever asked by another male colleague what I earned I would tell him to please to mind his own business .... but a tad stronger language. Would it be acceptable to tell a female colleague to F.O.Q.?
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Would it be acceptable to tell a female colleague to F.O.Q.?
No, bonsich, that would be definitely sexist bordering on misogynistic - in Juliaspeak at least.
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Old 4th Oct 2013, 23:54
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I haven't bought the paper today, so can't confirm this, but saw it on the Pickering Post:

from the Oz............ASYLUM-SEEKERS have asked doctors for breast enlargements, IVF treatment and botox.
When I told Mrs Fubaar this news, her immediate reply was: "And you know, I'll bet they got it."

The same thread says that Tamils returned to Sri Lanka get full dental treatment at Australian taxpayers' expense before they're sent back. Aren't they also given $3300 as well to encourage them to go?

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Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
With the Australian you are often unable to read an article in its entirety because you have to log into their website........at a cost of course. I’ve been able to copy it so I’ve pasted it below...just in case!

The Australian
5 October 2015

ASYLUM-SEEKERS have asked doctors for breast enlargements, IVF treatment and botox, according to the former director of medical health services for Australia's offshore asylum processing network.

Ling Yoong, who helped set up medical services on Nauru and Manus Island and worked on Christmas Island, said the cosmetic operations were requested when asylum-seekers underwent other regular medical checks and necessary treatment.

"We give (the asylum-seekers) the health services they need; we do not give them the services they want," Dr Yoong said in an interview with industry magazine Medical Observer published this week. A medical source familiar with the demands said they had been made in all three offshore locations.

"I was employed to give them the health checks and intervention they needed, but some of the people started demanding things they wanted," the source said. "A woman wanted bigger breasts and said she did not like the ones she had.

"These are the more extreme examples, but I continued to get the impression that many of these people were not genuine refugees.

"If I were a refugee, I would be quietly grateful for arriving somewhere safely, not asking for breast surgery."

Former foreign minister Bob Carr caused outrage among some sections of the community in June when he declared asylum-seekers were increasingly "economic migrants".

Julia Gillard's former communications director John McTernan labelled them "Iranian architects".

The medical source said she believed she was witnessing the initial stages of a growing trade in "medical asylum", where people who were not otherwise persecuted, but who had little or no access to healthcare, were making trips to Australia in the belief they could get any treatment they wanted.

"You have to be logical and rational about this and as much as I supported the genuine refugees, I knew more and more were not," the source said.

She said she originally got into the field of asylum health because she wanted to treat people.

"I have a lot of empathy for refugees ... when I started, I told myself I was just going to be treating people, I said I was not going to get involved in the politics," she said.

"But I soon went from dealing with mostly human misery to human demands."

A source close to the former Labor government was not aware of the specific instances of medical requests but was "not surprised" by them.

The source cautioned against using the requests as a direct link to refugee status.

"Somebody can have a well-founded fear of persecution which would not make them an economic migrant, it would make them an asylum-seeker," the source said.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Scott Morrison said these types of requests were "lavish" ... Those seeking to come illegally by boat won't receive such lavish treatments and they won't get the settlement in Australia they paid people-smugglers for."

An asylum-seeker advocate, who did not wish to be named, conceded there were small numbers of people arriving on boats who were "muddying the waters" for those in genuine fear of their life.

"Obviously somebody asking for a boob job is outrageous but from the deep, deep experience I have in this sector, I'd say it's also an aberration," the advocate said.

"These are not the normal stories of horrific nature we are used to hearing."

Details of the medical requests emerged as Mr Morrison said the government was negotiating a series of understandings with the Indonesian government over asylum-seekers, but wouldn't say whether they included the Coalition's signature policy of turning boats back to Indonesia.

A delegation of Australian officials was in Indonesia working through the issues, and a high-level delegation, including operation commander Mark Binskin, retired major general Jim Molan and AFP Commissioner Tony Negus would visit next week.

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Old 5th Oct 2013, 01:30
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There's also a good piece by Graham Richardson on what was wrong with the Summers-Gillard love-ins last week. I pay Murdoch his tribute money, so I'll post the pice shortly.
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Graham Richardson -

THERE is no question that Julia Gillard will have a place in Australian history. As one of the handful of people who have ever risen to occupy the highest office in the land, it is a place to which she is entitled.

In a century's time, when another generation of Australians read their history books, they will form their opinions on how she was treated. The writers of those history books will have pored over thousands of pages of Hansard, hundreds of thousands of column centimetres of newspaper clippings and countless hours of television interviews and radio transcripts. There is a massive amount of information available now that these historians will lap up.

Very few of them, I suspect, will spend much time examining her two performances with Anne Summers this week. And performances they were. Neither could possibly be described as interviews. They were adulatory in nature, and tough questions were avoided like the plague. The ex-prime minister always had her fans and 2600 of them packed the Sydney Opera House to the rafters. They cheered every blink of an eye or wave of a hand. This was a reception held in her honour and she is actually entitled to that. An interview, however, it was not.

As performances go, it was very, very good. Gillard always had the capacity to charm but during her period in the top job that capacity was very rarely witnessed - it was reserved for private one-on-one chats but never on public display. Her speech developed a weird cadence, and the pausing and emphasis were unnatural and awkward.

But this week she was terrific. She sounded like a normal person and that meant she was so much easier to listen to. If only that manner of speaking had come to the fore a couple of years ago, her political story might have had a different ending.

Her stance on Tony Abbott's alleged misogyny got the greatest applause. I believe her famous "I will not be lectured on sexism by this man" speech was a great speech. It was picked up by women all over the world. Gillard became an instant international celebrity. The Opera House audience and no doubt another million or two of their countrymen and women loved it too. In a few short minutes she re-energised her supporters and herself as well. But neither she nor those adoring fans gathered around her this week ever understood that the speech and the theme that she tried to maintain until her demise never delivered her one vote. Most Australians were completely unaffected by it.

Summers set the tone of all this with an aside about how no one in the room had ever been polled. In other words, the polls were always wrong. The people really loved their first woman prime minister. Underlying much of the discourse and interwoven through so many audience questions was the view that Gillard had been ruthlessly stalked and undermined because she was a woman. Much was made of the disgusting internet and social media attacks on her.

Gillard has every right to feel violated by Larry Pickering and the lunatic fringe. Some of the depictions of her were beneath contempt, but again, most Australians never saw them. Australians did not turn on the former PM because she was a woman but rather because she was a political failure.

As deputy PM she showed so much promise but she couldn't make the next step - it was a rung too far. That is why the two interviews this week annoyed me: other failures were not even referred to, let alone probed.

When the carbon tax was obliquely referred to in Melbourne, Gillard's view was that all would have been well had she not relented and agreed to use the word "tax". She would do well to remember history when she is trying to shape it. In the first few days after she announced the carbon price she did indeed try to insist that it wasn't a tax. For those few fleeting moments she tried to suggest that it was all semantics. She relented and admitted it was a tax because absolutely everyone knew what it was. She could not sustain the tax denial as every economist, commentator and punter knew this was much more fundamental than a semantic argument.

Summers could not bring herself to ask the obvious follow-up question: why did you set the price at four or five times the European rate? Then again, that should have led to many more questions, like why continue to support Peter Slipper, why keep saying she had "faith" in Craig Thomson long after that faith should have evaporated, why repeat the surplus promise hundreds of times when every chief executive, shareholder and economist knew it was impossible? As some point Gillard needs to do a real interview where she faces up to the reasons people lost faith in her.

One thing she got right this week, though, was her veiled criticism of Kevin Rudd. Despite Chris Bowen's absurd denials this week, Rudd deliberately and effectively sabotaged the 2010 election campaign. For a full 18 months after that he shamelessly and ruthlessly undermined her.

For all of this treachery, Australians still liked him, and his resurrection did stop an electoral slaughter that would have really scuttled Gillard's place in history. I wonder what would have happened had Rudd behaved properly and honourably during the 2010 campaign. I wonder what could have happened had Gillard been able to win a few more seats and been able to govern in her own right without having to placate the Greens and the other odd bods and sods among the independents. Sadly, we will never know. Sadly, we are left with a different reality, which neither Gillard nor Summers were prepared to face this week.

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Old 5th Oct 2013, 04:26
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Having read Richardson's article, to quote Mr. Oates, "I'm going outside, I may be some time".

I'm about to vomit
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 08:14
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It's straight out of '1984'. Winston Smith (aka the Labor Pardee) beavering away re-writing history. And with so many of our teachers and university lecturers so highly politicized - and all in the one direction - those history books Richardson referred to in his article will all contain only the 'approved' version of events.

George Orwell really had his sh*t together, didn't he?
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 08:59
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As George once wrote .......

" During the times of Universal deceipt, the telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 09:10
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Join the dots...George Orwell..Fabian Society...Hawke, Gillard etc and the transformation of one of the most sinister figures in literature, Big Brother, to an asinine TV programme that normalises having cameras watching your every move.

1984 was apparently written to warn the world what the Fabians were planning. Gillard was using it as an instruction book.

Wolves in sheep's clothing. Evil.
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 09:53
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And they lost, don't forget. Hosed out by the electorate and voted back to (literally, in Gillard's case) the university refec.

I read Richo's article when it came out and thought it hit the spot. However, if the right wing of the ALP (particularly the former MPs turned penmeisters Richo and Latham) want to see the good ol' boys get back in the driving seat they need to address their own issues. Post election they can afford to be a little bit sanctimonious but only a little bit. A very little bit.

While their NSW branch still smells like a second hand sandshoe shop both of them would be better off not milking the moral high ground too much, otherwise people might have a close look at some of their current powerbrokers rather than simply enjoying articles written by former ones.

Irritating though the left can be, there's a lot of 'at least they're not racketeers' sentiment from the would-be believers. Of course I'm not suggesting anyone is a racketeer (your honour ) but there's a perception out in suburbia that the right are less than honest. 'They're dicks, but they're honest dicks' paraphrases a lot of pro-Albo commentary I've been hearing recently.
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 10:02
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I had to laugh at the phrase 'honest dick' being applied to 'Therapeutic Albo'.

(For those not aware, Albo has allegedly patronised a certain 'Thai Therapeutic Massage Parlour', presumably not at the direction of Mrs Albo.)
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 10:21
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For sure. The beer with Thomson during the election campagin was another well publicised own goal. At least we were spared the sight of Albo rolling around in his undies licking a hammer, but next to that having a drink with ol' mate Craig came a close second when it came to attracting media attention.

This is the problem; habits that went largely unreported in the 1980s political heyday are now on Facebook for everyone to see. Everyone's got a camera/telegram machine in their pocket, ie a smartphone. Everyone's a reporter. This has also hit the Libs, particularly in Queensland (and Brandis in the federal sphere) so they're not blameless either.

All of them have to wake up to the fact that whatever they do will be reported somewhere. They're no longer protected by a semi-friendly media with editors who decide what's going to press. Everything's out there, and if it's not pretty? Expect to be reading about it.

Is a massage parlour better or worse than misusing funds? How about appointing your rellies to well paid positions (as both sides have form for)? Of course all are bad, but which is badder? The Libs are lucky with Abbott in that he seems to be monstrously boring, but I've no doubt there will be ministers who aren't so squeaky clean. What then?

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Old 5th Oct 2013, 14:04
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"TAKE THAT, YOU BASTARD!"

For those who enjoy a bit of a yarn, here's Larry Pickering paying out Graham Richardson for questioning his journalistic status and abilities:

SCRIBBLINGS OF A LUNATIC FRINGE-DWELLER - The Pickering Post
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I'm intrigued as to how he comes up with his readership figure of 800K when his combined total hits on his site and Fbook is 300 000 . One would assume that there is some crossover between the two (people who read his website probably also like his Facebook page) so the number of actual fans would be less rather than more.

The Australian sells over 125K papers a day (according to their website) which Pickering conveniently forgets to mention. How many people who buy it then read Richo's column is impossible to determine, but I'll bet it's higher than the zero Pickering has attributed to it.

As for the rest; is any of it actually new? He concedes himself that the AFR broke the Swiss bank account story back in the days of yore, and the rest of it seems to be the same ol' yarns that have been doing the rounds for years.

However, the bit I find most curious is how he first claims that Richardson has no influence, then goes on to detail how he has influenced various recent ALP decisions including the Gillard coup.

I enjoy the occasional Pickering rant and there's no doubt he has some good sources, but TBQH I thought this one was a bit flat.

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I have to say it, but life is quite boring on the political front.

The best they seem to be able to come up with is money
on expenses

I must say thought that it is nice it being boring !

As for Richardson and Oakes, well, I hate to think how many
ghosts they have in the closet, neither are the epitome of
standards when it comes to behavior !
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 07:00
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I enjoy the occasional Pickering rant and there's no doubt he has some good sources, but TBQH I thought this one was a bit flat.
True, Worrals, but it doesn't hurt to trot it out once more and wave it in the face of those sanctimonious Lefties. Whose columnists now seem to have the attitude that 'We've decided to give you (the Right) a go now, let's see if you can measure up to our high standards.'
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"We've decided to give you (the Right) a go now, let's see if you
can measure up to our high standards.'"

The left.

Set the bar low and then fail to achieve it but still tell everyone they have
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From the Andrew Bolt blog. (My boldface.)

A BRITISH jihadist is suspected of developing chemical weapons for the terrorists behind the Kenyan shopping centre massacre, raising fears that al-Qaeda will use them on Western targets.

Madhi Hashi, 24, is accused of being a leading figure in al-Shabaab, the African affiliate of al-Qaeda. He was captured while preparing to fly to Yemen to discuss the group’s campaign…

Mr Hashi was born in Mogadishu and came to Britain in 1995, obtaining citizenship in 2004. Last summer his family was told that Theresa May, the Home Secretary, had revoked his citizenship because he was “involved in Islamist extremism and presented a risk to national security”.
I think Tony Abbott would get a lot of support (except of course, from the ALPBC and Fairfax) if he did something similar with more than a few "hyphen-Australians" who seem to think their "hypen" more important than their "Australian" in their (all too often dual) citizenship.
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Under Rudd / Gillard, the lefties kicked up a real stink when
someone received an adverse ASIO assessment with appeal
after appeal.

I don't doubt Abbott will take a harder line and I wonder
if the lefties will maybe take a more sensible approach

Personally, I think ANY hint of any type of activity should
automatically have them shipped back to own country and
if they want to argue the point, they do it from there instead
of tying up our resources and courts.
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