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Old 21st Sep 2013, 20:52
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Don't ask !!!

it is one of those things that is the same all around the world,
BBC, ABC, ? USBC ?.

We ave a group here called "Friends of the ABC" and others
that bitch and moan when someone they don't want is placed
in charge etc etc.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 20:53
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.. because the Left are good at spending, not making.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 21:35
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I see the war on writing history is continuing in the media,
following on from last weeks articles about Julia will win !!!

"Rudd saved Labor, leaked polling shows"
Labor would have been reduced to a parliamentary rump worse than in the Whitlam defeat of 1975 had it not replaced Julia Gillard with Kevin Rudd as prime minister, according to leaked internal polling.
Mr Rudd saved Labor at least 15 seats, including those of enemies Wayne Swan, Warren Snowdon and Gary Gray, who would all have lost their jobs if Labor had persisted with Ms Gillard, according to the polling.
In the months before the June 26 leadership coup, Labor's pollster told the party's national office to expect negative swings as large as 18 per cent, wiping out key electorates across Australia. It suggests Labor seats would have been reduced from 71 to 40, rather than the 55 it is now expected to hold.

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Old 21st Sep 2013, 23:11
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500N, I think they're probably right. As much as some of us hated Rudd, that hatred makes it all too easy to forget how much we (and many, many others, some of whom, who knows why like(!) Rudd) positively loathed Julia Gillard. I think Rudd really did save ten or more seats for Labor.

I'm surprised no one has raised here the topic of the possible sale of a million hectares of cattle grazing land to Indonesia so that they can run stock - in Australia - for export to their domestic market. I find myself fearing that the new government will give way and allow this to go ahead in exchange for Indonesian cooperation (yeah, right) on the asylum seeker issue.

I find myself quite passionate on this issue. I don't believe any property (even domestic) should be sold freehold to foreigners. A lease I can live with, but I'm constantly gob-smacked at the way we blithely (in this case, literally) sell the farm to foreigners without even a blink of an eye.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 23:26
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The owner of the land should be able to sell it to the highest bidder, wherever he's from. That ensures the most efficient use of capital.

When you protect your markets you protract their productivity, and reduce overall well-being.

Back in the 80's flush Japanese buyers bought some iconic American properties such as the golf course at Pebble Beach, Rockefeller Center. Later those properties were resold at substantial losses. It all goes around.

A foreign buyer takes the additional risk of being legislatively deprived or limits placed upon his fee simple title. Oz has a lot to sell.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 23:33
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It was mentioned quite a few pages back when talking about how
a swipe of a pen can almost wipe out an entire industry up North.

Also, Victoria has been having this discussion on the Japs and
Chinese buying land / farms. I think one of the things that helped
them was the forestry / plantation industry going bust.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 07:29
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A very interesting article in the Age, the head of the Navy
commenting on being ready to do the job on AS !!!
Very unusual for a Mil officer to comment like this.

It reads to me like "Thank fcuk we now have someone who has
balls and who will let us get stuck into the job instead of pussy
footing around"

I do like this bit
"Stepping carefully around the political controversy of asylum-seeker policy, Admiral Griggs said the navy would ''crack on with it'' and execute the policy."

Sounds to me like someone likes the policy


I can hear the lefty bleeding hearts screaming already and it hasn't even started.
God this is going to be a good 4 years and hopefully 8 years !

Navy ready for Abbott's boat policy
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 07:52
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A brief troll through any of the Leftie sites (or a Fairfax newspaper) would lead you to believe this country has just suffered a military coup and 99% of the poor, oppressed population, robbed of the government they loved, are cowering in their homes behind locked doors, fearful of even going to the shops because of the heavily armed storm troopers on every street corner ready to quash the popular revolt that's simmering just below the surface to give us back Kevin Rudd.

Or Anthony Albanese.

Or Bill Shorten.

Whoever/whatever.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 08:15
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They need one of these .

Labor lost. Time the true believers get over it and started working out why.

Actually I think that in their heart of hearts most lefties know why, so it's time to start addressing those problems and stop wallowing in misery, bleating about how democracy sucks and how people are too stupid to see the light.

Time spent being bitchy is just time wasted and reinforces the view that Labor and their supporters are just juvenile, back-biting whiners without an ounce of substance. IMO the relentless, personal 'He stole my dolly' style criticism of the Abbott by Rudd, Gillard and the gang was one of the things that cost Labor government. People are simply sick of it and that was reflected in the polls.

Time to move on, elect a leader and get on with the job of rebuilding Labor into a party ordinary people will vote for. That's done with unity, intelligent criticism and clear policies that don't change with the wind every time the Greens get huffy about something. Time also to have a look at what the average would-be Labor supporter considers important; and I'm guessing that live exports and gay marriage aren't as high up the list as the student union brigade currently running the show thought they were.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 09:03
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"fearful of even going to the shops because of the heavily armed storm troopers on every street corner ready to quash the popular revolt"

We can only dream

But your summary is correct.

What they don't like is the fact some of these pricks will have to
get off their arses and do it themselves instead of sucking on a
Government tit.

The bitching and moaning will be bad, might have to get some
more ear muffs unless the media does the right thing and not
give them too much publicity.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 09:08
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"That's done with unity, intelligent criticism and clear policies that don't change with the wind every time the Greens get huffy about something. Time also to have a look at what the average would-be Labor supporter considers important; and I'm guessing that live exports and gay marriage aren't as high up the list as the student union brigade currently running the show thought they were. "

Exactly.

A person who hasn't got a job (apart from the rent a crowd mob)
couldn't give a flying f about Gay marriage or Live exports.

Get everyone employed and yes, then address these secondary issues.

And as for the Greens, 4 years of stuffing the country around,
MAYBE they will move mainstream and get some decent policies.

I think a survey was done whre they were looked at quite
favourably across the whole spectrum IF they broadened
their appeal and got some good policies that didn't hinder
business all the time. Apart from the few, they are just
looked on as a crack pot, one dimension party.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 09:20
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I wish I'd said that, Worrals.

Andu, ben there is right. The cattle acres aside, foreigners own a lot of freehold land in Australia. But, as the Argentinians realised years ago when the British were buying land and making capital improvements - the land stays in Argentina, while the foreigners don't.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 09:31
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The Greens are to Labor what the Nats are to the Libs.

Largely a damned nuisance , but with too much public support to dismiss them out of hand. Both minor parties represent a significant Australian voice and calling them nutters (which they often are) doesn't make them go away. Both parties have a core supporter base and while those of us in the mainstream may dislike them, they're still out there attracting rural/ inner city voters.

The Libs have addressed the problem by forming uneasy Coalitions with the Nats, but they're marriages of convenience. In Queensland where the parties are fused members still refer to themselves as Libs or Nats (and frequently hate the other more than they hate Labor) , so it's not the big happy family they'd like us to think it is. Likewise Labor has to pander to the Greens to a certain extent, because otherwise they kiss goodbye to 10% of their vote, not that the average Green will direct their preferences to the conservatives . The Tory mate reckons Nats will vote Labor before Greens will vote Liberal, and I think he could be right. The Nats are agrarian socialists and the Greens are chardonnay socialists, so as usual we're all stuck in the middle despising both of them...

Every now and again the Greens and the Nats sometimes make a decent point, albeit from opposing ends of the political spectrum. The problem with the last government was that due to the numbers the Greens and two dissaffected National Independents controlled the balance of power, which was like letting the chickens manage the hen house .
That's now done and dusted, so the goverment now just has to manage the Senate .

EDIT: RJM, I guess you and Ben are correct, but like a lot of Aussies I get concerned when the farm's getting sold off . After all, what do they care about our food supply? Supplying food to a small population with such a large logistics chain is not a big earner, which is why we're stuck with a corporate duopoly that subsidise the food supply with the far more profitable supply of grog, fuel and gambling . If we cede control of our primary production to foreigners, what guarantees our access to the produce? If they get a better price in China, who do we buy our milk from?

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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:40
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...If we cede control of our primary production to foreigners, what guarantees our access to the produce? If they get a better price in China, who do we buy our milk from?
Certainly some tricky issues about it, though one thing about diverse foriegn ownership of Oz real estate is it offers a sorta de-facto military defence. The trick ah guess is to ensure no one country gets to much.

Due to the large areas of the cattle stations it'd be fairly easy for Indonesia to throw lotsa money at the Top end and get huge areas of country 'coloured' red and white on the map. That might lead to some interesting interpretations from the less educated of the 237,000,000 and growing peoples of Indonesia.

Meanwhile, over in Germany...

"...With climate change losing importance in Germany as an issue and the Energiewende (transition to renewable energy) turning into a chaos that threatens the country’s economic stability, the Greens, who were polling near 16% earlier in the year, have since lost almost half of their voter base..."


Germany?s Green Party Takes A Beating In National Elections ? Climate, Fear No Longer Important Issues








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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:41
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Re the current standoff in Nairobi, with an unknown number of hostages still being held by the terrorists after they released all Muslims. SWMBO made the observation that if the Muzzies tried that at our local shopping centre, (Roselands), they'd find themselves in a bit of a pickle, as they'd probably have to release damn near all of the hostages they'd taken.

Re the rural land sale to foreigners: I worry about examples like Cubby Station, where the sale gives the owners rights to enormous water reserves, which they can stop going to properties downstream. I've seen the opposite extreme, when the Namoi is in flood, and the big cotton producers divert and or pump the flood waters into areas that make the situation worse - for others, (not themselves).

Ben There, I can see some sense in what you're saying, but I think you're being simplistic in saying there should be no restrictions.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:46
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FB, if the 'uneducated' among our near northern brothers thought that the land coloured white and red in the NT should be made available for Javanese small farmers, we'd see a repeat of Mugabe's "war veterans" (most of whom were born after the *** war was long over) moving onto hyperproductive white-managed farms in Zim. But that doesn't make what you've said any less true.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:50
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Ah yes, war veterans, how to turn a huge economy that fed the country
into a dust bowl of unproductive land in short order !!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:51
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Channel 9 news reports this morning that the entire N.B.N. board has resigned because of the "Abbott" government. ..
and there was me thinking it was an Australian government that we voted in.
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:55
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I think it's more likely because of Turnbull.

They don't think he has their confidence.

The resignations haven't been accepted yet !!!

Watch this space.


Oh, I then saw that Ziggy was primed to be installed on the NBN board
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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 22:57
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It may well be that the Government "made them an offer that they couldn't refuse"
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