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Old 29th Aug 2018, 21:54
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Interesting insider take on the Liberal Parties leadership ructions:
Julia Banks has some 'home truths' for the Liberal Party, but they point to a bigger problem - Politics - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 22:27
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At the end of her statement she writes,- I will keep fighting for gender equality.- Bugger that ,how about we select the BEST person, male or female to do the job
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 01:18
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This is the ugly aftermath of a brutal and badly executed political assassination.
At least the ABC are consistent, they consistently misreport anything to do with the LNP.

Turnbull himself is probably guilty of the worst assassination when he knifed Tony Abbott, at a time only Turnbull, the left leaning press and his left leaning colleagues in the party thought a change was necessary. Abbott wins an election with fourteen seats to spare, Turnbull, the PM through chicanery, then loses them all bar one.
Julia Banks is leaving because the boundaries have been redrawn and unless the LNP could work a miracle she was set to lose her seat anyway, so she has thrown her weight behind some popular feminist crusades in an attempt to make her departure look like a laudable act of principle.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 04:02
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How is "This is the ugly aftermath of a brutal and badly executed political assassination" misreporting? It's making no comment about what Turnbull did to Abbott (or what Abbott did to Turnbull before that). It was poorly executed - Dutton didn't have the numbers. Or are you claiming the aim wasn't really to have Dutton as leader?
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:31
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
At least the ABC are consistent, they consistently misreport anything to do with the LNP.
If you don't like the ABC, how about News Limited's take on it? Unless they're a bunch of misreporting rabid lefties too? Here's one of their articles on the toppling of Turnbull by Morrison Amateur hour’: Inside Peter Dutton’s dud coup and the damage it’s caused
A few choice quotes from the article:
LAST week’s attempted coup by Peter Dutton was one of the “messiest” and amateurish political displays Australia has seen in modern times, experts say.
and one of the article's quoted experts:
“Dutton doesn’t seem very bright, let’s face it, but you’d think he would’ve had better advice on how to execute the whole thing.”
News Limited aren't exactly complimenting Dutton on a job well done either. They (News Limited) even point out that as preferred Prime Minister, Dutton polls around the 5% mark, so significantly worse than either Bishop, Morrison or Shorten.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:41
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Dutton and supporters forgot that there's a whole world outside their little mirrored reality bubble with Sky News and 2GB piped 24 hour on high rotation.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by bob2s View Post
At the end of her statement she writes,- I will keep fighting for gender equality.- Bugger that ,how about we select the BEST person, male or female to do the job
"Gender equality" actually means basically that, though the term has been hijacked and misinterpreted by various political interests.

Being married to a professional woman making her way in a male dominated profession, I can tell you exactly what it's like when a woman with the right qualifications and a track record of high level competency (in her case documented to be above her male peers in many areas) gets totally shafted by a boys club. I can also tell you what it's like to have the boys club gang up on her after levelling false allegations (proven to be false by 6 month independent investigation at taxpayer expense) by a bloke who won't take directions from a woman, and then being physically stood over in the exact manner alleged by the female pollies, and then having her complaint totally ignored by the boys club. This type of behaviour takes a significant personal toll.

Basically, true "gender equality" is all about boys clubs not behaving like a total pack of pri*ks when women enter into their working world, and I'm pretty sure that's what she was talking about from listening to her statements on the matter. It is a unique perspective when you personally see these things happen to a wife, daughter or other professional female family members, I assure you, and it seems the Federal Liberal Party have issues in this respect.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 08:49
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DutchRoll, very well said
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 13:18
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
.......... Abbott wins an election with fourteen seats to spare, Turnbull, the PM through chicanery, then loses them all bar one.
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As per my earlier post, Blind Freddie could have taken that election with fourteen seats after the Julia / Kevin charade.
Tony did f....all to win that election. It was given to him.
The voting public wanted Labor OUT! And they expressed themselves emphatically.
They were sick and tired of the Labor shenanigans.

And within weeks it was obvious (maybe right from the start) that Tony was not going to be the man to lead them into the next election.
Undoubtedly Malcolm over-estimated his appeal. But don't under-estimate the extent to which Tony contributed to the trimming back of the fourteen seats.

And now the Gillard / Rudd show has been replicated by the Liberals.

Malcolm may well have lost the next election by his own accord.
But the upcoming massacre lies firmly by the hand of the Liberal left....oops. I meant RIGHT.

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Old 30th Aug 2018, 14:39
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Except that the Liberal right still doesn't smell any better than it did under Abbott (maybe worse given what's just occurred) and they've alienated a heap of the more moderate Lib supporters to boot. A loss has been turned into a massacre by the right. You might get a few voters back who defected to One Nation and such but that's small beer.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 14:49
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
...the left leaning press...
Would that be the "left leaning press" owned by News Limited/Citizen Rupert? Fairfax? Macquarie Media? Channel 7, 9 and 10?

Mainstream media in Australia is only considered left-wing by fringe right neurotics.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 23:56
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....... so she has thrown her weight behind some popular feminist crusades in an attempt to make her departure look like a laudable act of principle.
Bullying and standover tactics applied by blokes against women trying to make it in male dominated areas is not a figment of the imagination or a "popular crusade". Anyone who thinks it is really needs some life experience with female loved ones heading into these areas to see what it's really like. As my wife says, who made it despite being on the receiving end of this behaviour numerous times, and despite (and probably partly because of) outperforming many of her male peers: "they actually don't have the faintest clue" (referring to guys who think it's rare or just some feminist invention).

And yeah, the SMH/Age are pretty much the only press which might be considered left leaning (and I'd argue it's centre-left). The Australian, Sun-Herald, and Daily Telegraph are so far to the right that I'm surprised they haven't fallen off the right hand edge of the Earth yet. Their related newspapers in other cities are very close behind and seem to be trying to outcompete them. Then there's Ray Hadley and Alan Jones, who make the average right wing conservative look like a tree-hugging hippie. The free to air TV channels can swing either way, and of course there's Sky News, who would give Genghis Khan his own talk show if he were alive today.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 04:04
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Originally Posted by DutchRoll View Post
Bullying and standover tactics applied by blokes against women trying to make it in male dominated areas is not a figment of the imagination or a "popular crusade". Anyone who thinks it is really needs some life experience with female loved ones heading into these areas to see what it's really like. As my wife says, who made it despite being on the receiving end of this behaviour numerous times, and despite (and probably partly because of) outperforming many of her male peers: "they actually don't have the faintest clue" (referring to guys who think it's rare or just some feminist invention)..........(cut)......
I can assure anyone in disagreement with DutchRoll's take on this that he is quite correct. Inadvertently my two children, one male and one female, are unknown to them conducting a social experiment in the banking industry.
Due to the way they were raised, I made no difference between boys and girls, they were raised as strong, intelligent and competitive.
They both work for the same bank in similar roles, and treat their peers and subordinates EXACTLY the same.
Bonuses are awarded partially on annual reports as well as sales targets attained.
Guess which one's bonuses were reduced due to perceived aggression by superiors.
FWIW
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 04:12
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Just a thought on the Liberal/Nationals versus the Labor parties, after many years I can see no difference between them once in Government.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 06:59
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As I posted earlier regarding Merren McArthur's comments on the lack of diversity in the aviation industry.

Even before people start, there is "in-built" bias in the selection of women for a job.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/...ty-employment/

A couple of extracts from the article about research into sexism in job selection

Student job applications were randomly assigned a male/female name. Male applicants were rated much more highly than female applicants. When violinists were assessed behind a curtain, females in orchestras rose from around 5% to more than 25%.

Probable outcome - you need quotas to overcome the inbuilt bias in selection for a job / candidate for a party

When quotas were legislated in Norway (40% of board members must be female), a research paper ("Breaking the Glass Ceiling? The Effect of Board Quotas on Female Labor Market Outcomes in Norway") points to the positive outcomes of quotas.
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/mari..._5_29_2014.pdf

While it was early days, far from being a shortage of suitably qualified women, they found far more qualified women than were being considered for selection. Searching for candidates beyond the "old boys club" found women who were even more qualified than those already on boards.

Once in law, it also raised expectations with more women becoming interested in becoming board members.

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 12:10
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Well what a complete cxxk up!!!!. Malcolm spat the dumb and resigned. He has now by his stupid, selfish. actions handed the PM position to Shorten. They should have left Abbott as PM. The put in a left wing PM, trying to run a right wing party...isolated the conservative base...and now we have a hung parliament, with Labor assured of a big win at the next election. What a mess!!! (IMHO)
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 12:23
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I daresay if Tony Abbott had resigned when he was kicked out of the PM's office, the Liberal Party would not find themselves in this mess at all.

He's white-anted the LNP into oblivion for revenge, just like Rudd did to Labor. Now they reap what they sowed.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 13:14
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Well what a complete cxxk up!!!!. Malcolm spat the dumb and resigned. He has now by his stupid, selfish. actions handed the PM position to Shorten. They should have left Abbott as PM. The put in a left wing PM, trying to run a right wing party...isolated the conservative base...and now we have a hung parliament, with Labor assured of a big win at the next election. What a mess!!! (IMHO)
So nothing to do with Abbott and Dutton then? Just Malcolm being selfish?

The current government had no hope of winning the next election anyway, irrespective of the outcome of this by-election.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:11
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Rudd hung around & 'poisoned' the Labor government

Abbot hung around & did the same wth the Libs to the stage where a Shorten led government is now pretty much just a matter of time. Thank you Tony !!

Gotta admit the cheering at the Labor candidates concession speech gave me a chuckle ... his primary vote was 11%
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:29
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..........Gotta admit the cheering at the Labor candidates concession speech gave me a chuckle ... his primary vote was 11%
Yes, but political parties never see a defeat as being a defeat.

You might also take a look at the cheering at the ScoMo/Sharma speech.
An horrendous, ignominious flogging and they all clapped and cheered.

The next logical step for Labor, now that they're standing in front of the goal posts, is for someone to step out of the shadows and take a crack at unseating Shorten.

Headline in West Australian :
PM vows to ‘listen, learn’ after crushing defeat
Yeah, right. That'll happen, for sure.
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