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Old 11th Nov 2018, 20:31
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Lewis summed it up perfectly in the col down room ' he had nothing to lose, you had everything'. Yes Ocon was a bit daft doing that but he was faster at the time and has every right to unlap himself. A better driver than Max would have given him room then got him back later, probably on the same lap. Max is just too hotheaded/petulant for his own good and until he learns to reign that in he will win nothing. As for the pushing match in the garage, I hope the FIA slap him with a ban that was completely out of order, as were Christioan Horners comments about Ocon being lucky he got away with just a shove.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 21:27
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Max's stupidity and stubbornness cost him that win. What a fool.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 21:33
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Sky's teams comments about the weigh in incident were disgraceful too, I believe in the UK that would be classed as assault. A ban should be in order, especially after his comments afterwards, perhaps his sponsors should be looking at it too.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 21:40
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Should rename the Team to `RedMist`....
And someone at Merc should tell Lewis to stand still on the podium,stop waving about and respect the Country and National Anthem where ever you are.....!
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 21:49
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Both drivers were called to see the race stewards to explain the incident, with Verstappen ordered to carry out "two days of public service" to atone for "making deliberate physical contact with" Ocon.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Bee Rexit View Post
Not really - F1 would just become Indycar.
Indycar is just an american smokescreen - it give the impression that they can do motorsport whilst showing that anything even slightly technical is well beyond their capabilities.

There are dozens of classes where the cars, the engines or both are "stock", and people are free to watch them. F1 is a development class where technology and excellence is prized, not scorned by luddites.

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 22:03
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Personally I feel max did not give him room at the corner so the fault was his, as for the you should not unlap against the leader...errrr it's a race and it is racing, otherwise you might as well bring on a rule if lapped you retire.
Ross Brawn makes it clear that in his view you should focus on winning championships rather than races - Max is at the even lower stage of maturity. You don't win a race by winning every corner...

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 22:20
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FIA outcome of Verstappen on Ocon clash.

Verstappen will now have to carry out two days of public service at the FIA's behest within the next six months.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 23:35
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Rather weak as it was in front of the media... let's hope the days clash with the first two races of the season.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 09:51
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Personally I feel max did not give him room at the corner so the fault was his.....
I would have said that Max had the racing line and was entitled to stick to it. In that respect, the accident was Ocon's fault. Having said that, it wasn't for position so Max really had nothing to lose by giving way. Discretion being the better part etc, etc. And his behaviour afterwards was well out of order.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 11:14
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Ross Brawn makes it clear that in his view you should focus on winning championships rather than races - Max is at the even lower stage of maturity. You don't win a race by winning every corner...

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No one is going to argue with Ross Brawn who, to me is incredibly astute with a brain the size of a planet.

Max likes to show that he is a world champion in waiting and that may be so but he still has a lot of learning to do.

My take was a racing incident with no clear blame. F1 has to remember that people watch it for the RACING and not simply after you claud. Interesting race though.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
I would have said that Max had the racing line and was entitled to stick to it. In that respect, the accident was Ocon's fault. Having said that, it wasn't for position so Max really had nothing to lose by giving way. Discretion being the better part etc, etc. And his behaviour afterwards was well out of order.
Perhaps if his two days litter picking or scrubbing graffiti is in the presence of the worlds media 'punishment fitting the crime etc.'
I don't follow the prima donnas of football but that dressing room clash would have resulted in a significant number of matches spent kicking their heels on the side lines.
i don't suppose Max has ever unlapped himself, ever!!
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 12:21
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Max was rash, young and reckless.
He was managing his tyres and going slow, controlling the pace of the race.

Ocon was on fresh super-soft tyres and had the ability to lap significantly faster than Max, so he was being held up.
The rules state you CAN unlap your self, and he (and many others) had made a number of overtakes in Turn 2.

Should he have been more careful, yes. But then as Lewis said, Max had everything to lose. It's better to give space and be all right and still in the race than in the right but out the race. That is Max's problem. And it bit him. Hard.

I thought 10 second stop-go penalty (worth about 28-30 seconds) was overly harsh for Ocon. Considering Max rammed the side of Vettel in China in similar fashion and got only a 10-second time penalty (only worth 10 seconds), I don't think that was anywhere near three times as bad an incident. Especially as Vettel gave Max room when he was hit, but Max gave Ocon no room at all.


Interesting last few laps, can't help but feel sorry for Danny Ric, he could easily have won the race if he had not suffered a grid penalty that was entirely outside of their control. The FIA needs to ditch these stupid penalties. Or at least make them less ridiculous, and grant special waiver for things like a marshall filling the engine with the contents a fire extinguisher.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 14:43
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Max assumed Ocon would fall back. You should never assume. Ass, u, me.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 16:13
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Perhaps Max's 'public service' could include some time spent on FIA 'weighbridge duties'?
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 16:30
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Max should change his name to Hamilton, then the FIA stewards would ignore any wrong doing
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 22:04
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Max should change his name to Hamilton, then the FIA stewards would ignore any wrong doing
At least other people are noticing he seems untouchable
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 22:05
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Indycar is just an american smokescreen - it give the impression that they can do motorsport whilst showing that anything even slightly technical is well beyond their capabilities.

There are dozens of classes where the cars, the engines or both are "stock", and people are free to watch them. F1 is a development class where technology and excellence is prized, not scorned by luddites.

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You have my vote sir!
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 23:36
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Andy S:
I would have said that Max had the racing line and was entitled to stick to it.
I guess my brain is getting slow but the speed with which the overtaking car appeared in that position only allowed the driver of the pink thing the option of being hit, commencing a right turn, or de-materialising.

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And someone at Merc should tell Lewis to stand still on the podium,stop waving about and respect the Country and National Anthem where ever you are.....!
That's been my thoughts on several occasions. The first few wins he would be so pumped up that I'd accept his lack of awareness, but he no doubt has viewed himself many time. He seems utterly unaware about his nation's protocols, a nation that allows his long moments of fame.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 09:37
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I think that part of the problem lies in the fact that the leaders are so used to backmarkers being almost forced to stop or drive off the track to let them by. The mindset must surely develop that everyone other than the members of the 'top six' will simply keep clear.

Can a driver unlap himself, well of course. If Verstappen or Hamilton or Vettel had been in trouble and fallen a lap behind, they would be expected to up the pace and get past everyone else as soon as possible, I believe its called racing. FWIW I would put it down to naivety on the part of both drivers and let it go.

As for the 'handbags' afte the race. For heavens sake Max, if you are going to hit him, then do it properly and put him on his back, don't mince around pushing and calling names !
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