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Old 21st Oct 2018, 19:53
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Seems a fair result.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 19:57
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Cracking drives by all concerned. Enjoyed that one!
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 20:17
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Great race! No mistakes whatsoever by Kimi. And what a racecraft by Max! Just watch his first lap avoiding the troubles. Seb going too wide.

And Lewis also completely faultless. Amazing racing between him and Max! Great close racing the last laps. Top 3 within seconds! Great race!
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 20:29
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Seems a fair result.
The last 4 or 5 laps were shaping up to be a great 3-way scrap. It never quite happened, though.

Don't understand why Merc left Lewis out so long. He was losing over a second a lap to Kimi and it was clear he needed fresh tyres.

Congrats to Kimi though, I think that's a genuinely popular victory.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 20:32
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Ferrari had the faster car this race - but because of Vettelís error in qualifying he allowed Hamilton to extend his lead in the Drivers Championship - Which is the story of this season. Hamilton will earn and deserve his 5th championship - because Vettel didnít.

And congratulations to Kimi on his win.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 21:12
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Don't understand why Merc left Lewis out so long.
The roots of that lie in the lack of long-run testing due to the rain on Friday. Predictions from past races suggested that if driven with care Lewis's soft tyres should have lasted the rest of the race. This prediction didn't pan out because Pirelli had increased the minimum tyre pressures and that (combined with the higher temperatures on race day) caused Lewis's tyres to blister even though he was driving conservatively. By the time the blistering became visible Lewis had lost all the benefit of his pitstop under the VSC, dropping his lead from 19 seconds to 10. This gave him a 12 second deficit to make up after his second stop, and while he did make it up it took way too much life out of his tyres, hence the inability to pass Max (or at least to make the pass stick).

Lewis had 4 "championship points" (in the tennis sense). He now has 3. If he wins one more race he's champion. If he scores 5 more points than Vettel in the rest of the season he's champion.

But Vettel can still win, if he stops making mistakes...

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Old 21st Oct 2018, 21:47
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....dropping his lead from 19 seconds to 10....
That's what I was driving at. It should have been apparent several laps earlier that Lewis tyres wouldn't make it to the end - that being the case you would have thought the sensible thing to do would have been to bring him in as soon as it was clear he was being caught at over a second a lap.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 06:58
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
The roots of that lie in the lack of long-run testing due to the rain on Friday. Predictions from past races suggested that if driven with care Lewis's soft tyres should have lasted the rest of the race. This prediction didn't pan out because Pirelli had increased the minimum tyre pressures and that (combined with the higher temperatures on race day) caused Lewis's tyres to blister even though he was driving conservatively. By the time the blistering became visible Lewis had lost all the benefit of his pitstop under the VSC, dropping his lead from 19 seconds to 10. This gave him a 12 second deficit to make up after his second stop, and while he did make it up it took way too much life out of his tyres, hence the inability to pass Max (or at least to make the pass stick).

Lewis had 4 "championship points" (in the tennis sense). He now has 3. If he wins one more race he's champion. If he scores 5 more points than Vettel in the rest of the season he's champion.

But Vettel can still win, if he stops making mistakes...

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Actually, Lewis simply needs to score 6 points to clinch - regardless of what Seb does. There are a maximum of 75 points still up for grabs, and Lewis has a 70 point lead.
Really, really weird the way the Ferrari immediately does a pirouette after squarely bumping wheels. Normally, if's a reasonably square hit and if it's not hard enough to break something, both cars keep going more or less the same direction. But not this Ferrari...
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 08:23
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Seb can't now equal Lewis' season win number, so if they end up equal on points (which would require him to finish lower than 7th in all the remaining races, somewhat unlikely) then Lewis would be Champion. 5 points more it is.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 09:47
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Actually, Lewis simply needs to score 6 points to clinch - regardless of what Seb does. There are a maximum of 75 points still up for grabs, and Lewis has a 70 point lead.
Indeed - I was overlooking the detail that after NEXT weekend there will only be 50 points up for grabs. So in fact of Seb DOESN'T get at least 21 points more than Lewis in Mexico then Lewis is champion. Even if Lewis had a DNF in Mexico Seb needs to win the race to stay in the fight - second isn't enough (unless I've stuffed the arithmetic again), and even if Seb wins Lewis onluy needs to place 7th or higher to be champion.

Really, really weird the way the Ferrari immediately does a pirouette after squarely bumping wheels. Normally, if's a reasonably square hit and if it's not hard enough to break something, both cars keep going more or less the same direction. But not this Ferrari...
It does seem to be rather skittish. Kravitz has a theory that it's related to the way they are focussing on straight-line stuff (traction on the start and straight-line braking) which means that the slightest additional yaw angle may stall the diffuser or sommink. I remember reading in Ross Brawn's book that he would consider sacking any aero guy who proudly announced he'd got more downforce in a straight line (because that's when they rarely need it).

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 15:13
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Actually quite enjoyed that one despite the fact that modern day aero meant that the three leaders could not really get too close to one another.

Hamiltons title, most certainly. Good driver yes, great driver probably, one for the pantheon - not just yet as not quite a match for Fangio, Clark, Moss and Senna. I would love to see the guy test himself in something other than F1.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 15:28
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Originally Posted by beamer View Post
Actually quite enjoyed that one despite the fact that modern day aero meant that the three leaders could not really get too close to one another.

Hamiltons title, most certainly. Good driver yes, great driver probably, one for the pantheon - not just yet as not quite a match for Fangio, Clark, Moss and Senna. I would love to see the guy test himself in something other than F1.
Like what? He came up through the junior formulas and did pretty well in all of them, and he remains the only driver to have won races in every year he's been in F1 even when driving rubbish cars (like the 2010 Mclaren). I have the contraversial view that Senna and Moss (to name but two) would not have been be able to hack it in modern F1 - the race is more sophisticated and requires a far better grasp of the technical aspects together with levels of physical fitness that neither ever displayed.

YMMV,

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 15:39
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I've just been running the numbers again and clarified the situation in my mind:

To stay in the game Vettel must win the next race, no matter what Hamilton does - even if he DNFs. And even if Vettel wins Hamilton must place 8th or lower or it's all over.

In fact Hamilton only needs to place 7th or higher in ANY of the remaining races and he has his 5th world championship.

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 17:30
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Vettel must win all three reamaining races to have any chance at all. Hamilton only needs to accrue 6 points from the last three races an he's champion in any case.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 17:51
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Hamilton only needs to accrue 6 points from the last three races an he's champion in any case.
Actually he only needs five points, because he already has more wins than Vettel can now achieve. So even in the event of a points draw Hamilton will win.

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 17:56
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It was obvious that LH was enjoying himself in Austin - knowing that it was simply a matter of time before he achieved the title.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 19:41
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Excellent race and great to see Kimi get a win at long last.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 21:19
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great to see Kimi get a win at long last.
Indeed!
There have been occasions when he has seemed likely to beat SV but the team has decided otherwise.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 23:09
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The last couple of races even Kimi has seen Seb's writing on the wall and finally, more Mr Ice Man. Actually, he even smiled for a second during the interviews, a flash of happiness shining through.

Hamilton recognizes the importance of the team and gives due praise to them. They put him at the top of the pyramid, giving him the opportunity to go for the title. One hungover mechanic and the whole thing goes wobbly.

"For want of a nail the horse was lost", etc. (Ferrari's new motto?)
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 16:51
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