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Old 18th Sep 2018, 19:57
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Youre missing the point , football is a team event with a team prize at the end, motor racing is betting on individual drivers, not teams. It is like entering two horses in the Grand National and asking one to hold up the others.
Is it? F1 prizes, points and share out of the money is all about teams. The drivers get trophies. If it was about drivers there would be no race penalties for unsafe releases, crews not clearing the track in time before the start of the parade lap or numerous other TEAM transgressions...

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Old 18th Sep 2018, 20:11
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Is it? F1 prizes, points and share out of the money is all about teams. The drivers get trophies. If it was about drivers there would be no race penalties for unsafe releases, crews not clearing the track in time before the start of the parade lap or numerous other TEAM transgressions...

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If you bet on motor racing you would be betting on Bottas, Hamilton etc.

https://www.sportinglife.com/formula...nd-prix/149665
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 20:20
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
If you bet on motor racing you would be betting on Bottas, Hamilton etc.
You would be naive if you overlooked the team - next year Kimi will be driving for Sauber . . .

The history of the 'reliability' of the vehicle (and the team logistics) should be considered.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 21:40
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
If you bet on motor racing you would be betting on Bottas, Hamilton etc.

https://www.sportinglife.com/formula...nd-prix/149665
That may be true, but then betting is just a tax on stupidity - it's not a part of the sport or its regulations so your point is irrelevant.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 18:31
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 19:02
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
If you bet on motor racing you would be betting on Bottas, Hamilton etc.

https://www.sportinglife.com/formula...nd-prix/149665
And if you read that link you find this:
Posted at 0930 BST on 04/07/18; selections at best available price via oddschecker.com
And go to oddschecker.com and what do you find?


So it's clear, you can bet on the team rather than just the individual drivers.
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 07:21
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I would have thought the clue was in the word "Team", but maybe that's just me - perhaps some people here have never been team-players...

Anyway, on to Sochi.

Yesterday's practice would suggest that the Mercs are very strong, but Ferrari often keep their powder dry on fridays (we make get a better indication from FP3 this morning). Against that the Mercs seem to be strong in single-lap pace even when on the harder tyres (Hamilton's times yesterday morning were on Softs and in the afternoon were on Ultras, whereas Max and Seb's fast times were all on on the faster Hypers). So it looks possible that Lewis will make pole again. But we need to remember that Sochi is like Spa - there's a very long run to turn 1 (OK, turn 2 at Spa) making it possible for those behind to slipstream the leader and mug them into the turn, so even a pole doesn't guarantee anything.

On the championship - if Lewis wins one more race the just winning all the others won't be enough to guarantee a victory for Seb even if they are all ferrari 1-2s. If Lewis wins one more race Seb needs him to finish 3rd in 4 out of the 5 remaining races, or various other lower combinations (essentially if Lewis wins one more and Seb wins the other five, Lewis needs to lose 13 points more than he would get for 2nd places before Seb wins). Tghat doesn't mean anything, of course, because a single DNF from Lewis could mean it runs to the wire in Abu again.

But Seb isn't sounding happy these days, so I think Lewis is winning the morale battle, and seems to be the stronger person...

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Old 29th Sep 2018, 17:58
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Bottas gets the pole, Hamilton 2nd, Vettal 3rd. and Kimi 4th.
The drag race to turn one should be interesting, and the possible carnage once they get there even more so.
Personally I am looking forward to Ricciardo and Verstappen working their way through the field.
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 18:02
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Originally Posted by fleigle View Post
Bottas gets the pole, Hamilton 2nd, Vettal 3rd. and Kimi 4th.
The drag race to turn one should be interesting, and the possible carnage once they get there even more so.
Turn One is a non-event - it will be Turn Two where the sh!t hits the fan.
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 21:57
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Anyone care to speculate on the "conversation" between Hamilton and Bottas regarding the start ?
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 07:10
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Anyone care to speculate on the "conversation" between Hamilton and Bottas regarding the start ?
I expect there will have been (or will be, today) a team conversation to agree that if Valtiri fails to pull clear coming up to turn 2 then he should try to block Seb rather than Lewis - that's just common sense. But as I said previously, this is a track where starting second may not be as big a disadvantage as it is on other tracks.

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Old 30th Sep 2018, 12:40
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Vlad turns up two-thirds through the race (and has missed Max's overtakes).
Also there is a hirsute dwarf.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 12:59
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Bernie didn't make it onto the podium.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 14:44
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First time I've seen a cut-away from the action to show arrival of a spectator. I guess when the dictator arrives, everyone has to bow - including the feed director. Thought Putin looked awkward in the drivers cool off room - not really sure why he thinks he should be there.
In other news, that result was a perfect example of racing as a business...
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 20:12
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How Vettel escaped a penalty again, just a dangerous dirty cheat! So pleased to see Hamilton stick it to him on the next corner .
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 20:15
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There is a simple and easy fix to the debacle of the final result, make the constructors points awarded to the individual drivers and not as a team, that way they win the constructors title based on individual drivers the same way as the drivers win the title and team orders no longer come into it.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 20:31
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Nutloose - I may be misunderstanding your message but constructors points are just the drivers points added together.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 21:13
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Mercedes reason for swapping Lewis & Bottas was absolute bull$hit.
At least have the balls to admit it and call a spade a spade.

If they were worried about it ending up Bottas 1st, Vettel 2nd, Lewis 3rd, (which is the reason they gave) and THAT's why they made the swap... then they could and should have swapped them back on the last lap when Vettel was 6 seconds behind.

But they didn't, they did it purely for Drivers Championship reasons. It's obvious. At least have the decency to admit it.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 22:14
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To be fair, LH seemed unhappy with the decision. He has always been a racer, and wants to win on his own merits, rather than on team orders.
At the end of the season, LH will be so far ahead of SV that this decision will be irrelevant, but the team is going to make sure that their driver is the champion as soon as possible, to avoid future dnf's. Bottas was understandably deflated, but in his heart he probably knew that sooner or later he would get this call, and take one for the team.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 00:03
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
Nutloose - I may be misunderstanding your message but constructors points are just the drivers points added together.
They are, what I saying is they should not count together but individually, so they have 2 bites at the cherry for winning the constructors championship and it reduces this yeilding nonsense.
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