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Old 10th Apr 2018, 11:14
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Originally Posted by Eric T Cartman View Post
So even the World Champion has to 'ask permission' in case the TV lot are inconvenienced, not withstanding a guy is in hospital ! Kind of shows what F1 has become, does it not ?
Fixed that for you

So even a former, not the World Champion has to .....



but, yes, I agree with your sentiments

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Old 10th Apr 2018, 16:36
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Ah cheers redsnail, yeah I think Vettel is right.

Having said that, and I'm by no means a prude when it comes to swearing, but I don't agree with all the swearing that some of the younger drivers seem to do all the time. They're doing it in English too, which means in the heat of the moment they're having to think about what they're saying before it comes out. If they were swearing in their native language that's one thing, but to consciously translate for effect is not good. I guess it is just another example of bad examples to younger kids watching all the sports.
A person proficient in reading, talking and writing of a foreign language will be thinking in this language during a conversation, no translation required. This is especially true when using common phrases. There are not that much phrases for swearing in English afaik. All over the year those drivers work and live on the tracks worlwide and English is the primary language there.

Those drivers are not super humans, they are just humans and swear like humans tend to do. Nothing there to fuss about.
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Old 10th Apr 2018, 20:00
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A person proficient in reading, talking and writing of a foreign language will be thinking in this language during a conversation, no translation required. This is especially true when using common phrases.
Exactly. While I'm far from proficient, I lived in Indonesia for a while over 20 years ago and I frequently catch myself starting to use an Indonesian phrase while speaking English. Back in high school, I had a foreign language teacher say she knew she was proficient in that language when she started dreaming in that language.
I really enjoy watching and listening to the drivers in the cool down room - it's often the most honest, revealing comments of the weekend. I hope we don't lose it.

Regarding Max, he's become such a hero back home that I fear he's starting to believe his own press and thinks he can do no wrong. He's obviously a talented driver but he needs to learn to control some of the aggression. Last year I was watching qualifying for one of the F1 races in a hotel lounge - a Dutch guy came in, asked if this was live which I responded it was. He asked how Verstappen was doing and I responded something like - 'so you're a Mad Max fan'? He became very indignant with my 'Mad Max' nickname...
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 07:02
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Verstappen is turning into an overrated, spoiled, kid who is long on promise but short on delivery. Probably half the F1 drivers on the grid could turn in the same times as he, if they had a seat in the RBR.

RBR is also turning into a huge disappointment this year - they seem to have serious quality issues with their car.

The Dutch press corps is merely pandering to their audience, telling people what they'd like to hear.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 07:38
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Max is just going through that phase that seems to affect the highly talented drivers a couple of seasons in. Lewis Hamilton also went through it. I think they realise that they have great skill and their confidence starts getting so high that they then exceed the limits and a few errors start to creep in.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 17:15
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I watched it in real time, live, and just reviewed the Max v LH moment over & again. My first impression remains. Max made a good genuine dive to overtake LH on the inside. He then found the apex blocked by Alonso, and LH was along side on the outside. It was a slow corner, so speed would not cause you to drift out wide. Max did drift out wide to overtake Alonso on the outside and took LH off the track. LH had no where to go, other than outside the track edges. If Max found he was boxed in by Alonso ahead, and LH outside, then tough turkey and IMHO he should have accepted his bad luck and slowed. LH was side by side at that point.
Stewards said racing incident. I wonder if that was because Max came off worse. I wonder what would have been the call would the fortunes have been reversed? I suspect Toto & Niki would have been hot foot to the stewards if LH had had damage & puncture and Max had skipped off into the distance.
It's not the first time Max has 'drifted someone out wide' to the edge of the track unnecessarily. One can say that once in front you can use all and any of the track, but etiquette I thought also says you should give competitors reasonable space.
Tough racing, but on the edge.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 20:30
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F1 in 2018: FIA to investigate rise in unsafe releases | F1 News
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 02:18
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Russia and Monaco aren't going along with the ban on 'grid girls':

https://www.gptours.com/mobile_news....=news&id=20773
"We do not want to give up girls -- they are wonderful," said promoter Sergei Vorobiev.

"We foresee that when children are close to cars, this is fraught with difficulties relating to security and image.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 06:08
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I cannot see that having children acting as grid girls has added anything to the attraction of Formula One (except, perhaps, for the children).
To be honest, their presence has been almost unnoticeable - apart from a brief glimpse at the national anthem, whereas the grid girls were seen as the cars approached the grid (as they stood at each grid position), and also when they lined the corridor as the winners made their way to the cool-down room.
Am I right in thinking that 'girls' were still used to bring the microphones to the winners after the Bahrain 'prizegiving' when David Coulthard interviewed them - or was that false memory on my behalf?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 06:15
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It was pointed out that Haas probably used the same mechanism for wheel retention as Ferrari - though the incident where the mechanic was injured was due to poor release communication management rather than incorrect attachment - the original wheel and tyre was still in place on the car.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 09:00
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The problem - possibly - of using automation rather than a human?
I don't know how the system works so I'm happy to be corrected.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
The problem - possibly - of using automation rather than a human?
I don't know how the system works so I'm happy to be corrected.
I think you might be right.

In the past you had a wheel-gun-man on each corner raised their hand when their corner was done. Then you had a lollipop man raise the stick when 4 hands are in the air.

Now you see no hands and no lollipop, only a red/green light, although I'm not sure who controls it.

There are failsafes apparently, but I have no idea what they are, or why they failed in Bahrain.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 13:50
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The Go NoGo light should be interlocked to 4 switches controlled by the gun guys. They know if a wheel is on right. The used tire guy and the new tire guy should be out of the way before the nut is installed correctly and the interlock button is pressed.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 13:57
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I think that they should instigate a minimum 5 second rule.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 17:44
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I vaguely recall an idea someone said (maybe in the tv review, or perhaps even on this thread) that the mechanics should all have to get behind a line before the car can be released.

That way the best & fastest team still gets the benefit of being the best and fastest, but they are out of harms way before the car moves again.

This wouldn't solve the problem of rushed pitstops leading to unsafe releases due to incorrectly fitted wheel nuts though
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 19:27
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Reducing the numbers in the lane would make things safer.

IndyCar pit stops have far fewer involved but the spectacle isn't diminished.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 19:43
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Originally Posted by insty66 View Post
IndyCar pit stops have far fewer involved but the spectacle isn't diminished.
What sort of times?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 20:13
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
What sort of times?
Around 8 seconds, but they are refueling at the same time which is typically the limiting factor. If they didn't fuel I'd guess around 5 seconds or so.
However, watching the Indy Car pit stops, the wheel changers seem more deliberate since they know they are not the limiting factor for time.
BTW, Indy Car uses one person per tire - jacking is done by a pneumatic connection right next to the fuel nozzle.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 20:20
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Thanks - I've never watched IndyCar - well not whole races.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 20:47
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Around 8 seconds, but they are refueling at the same time which is typically the limiting factor. If they didn't fuel I'd guess around 5 seconds or so.
However, watching the Indy Car pit stops, the wheel changers seem more deliberate since they know they are not the limiting factor for time.
BTW, Indy Car uses one person per tire - jacking is done by a pneumatic connection right next to the fuel nozzle.
Good description.

I'd think a hybrid system with 1 man per tyre, no refuelling but retain the jackmen might best suit F1, safer in the lane too.
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