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Old 11th Jan 2018, 21:44
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Anyone care?
I'd imagine there'd be a lot of air-heads who care......
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 15:34
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The hurdle they have with the Russian is he is financed indirectly by Rotenberg a Putin oligarch. Rotenberg is on the Magnitsky Act list of sanctioned persons.

So Williams take cash from the Rotenberg sponsor then Williams get put on the list. Probably only would affect any USA appearance
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 21:14
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And seeing as they're hardly likely to be a major player season 2018, dropping one off the schedule won't matter....
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 12:30
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Robert Kubica 'to be signed up as Williams reserve driver'
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 13:45
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Maybe Williams are planning to leave Sirotkin at home for the US GP and give
Robert a drive.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 18:01
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I think that the Magnitsky Act could give Williams a lot more trouble than just forcing them to swap drivers for the US GP.

Essentially, there you have Williams taking money from a Putin crony. Trump himself would probably be happy to give them a pass on that, but given the cut-throat atmosphere of F1 some of the other teams will probably be looking into ways to cause trouble for Williams because of their taking funding from Russia. I doubt that they've thought this one through completely.

Formula 1 always had a tin ear under the Poison Dwarf when it came to listening to calls for political sensitivity, given his liking for a dictatorial style of rule, but times do change.

The Magnitsky Act is no joke to many people, despite the way that Trump chooses to downplay it, so that it might be very unwise to get mixed up in anything that might involve it, such as taking funding from Russia. Doing that could put Formula 1 further into disfavor with many people on the left; they already dislike loud things that go fast, on principle.

Me, I like loud things that go fast, just fine, but I like the idea behind the Magnitsky Act more than that.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 01:29
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Changing the tone a little bit;
Dan Gurney has died.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 06:23
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
I think that the Magnitsky Act could give Williams a lot more trouble than just forcing them to swap drivers for the US GP.

Essentially, there you have Williams taking money from a Putin crony. Trump himself would probably be happy to give them a pass on that, but given the cut-throat atmosphere of F1 some of the other teams will probably be looking into ways to cause trouble for Williams because of their taking funding from Russia. I doubt that they've thought this one through completely.

Formula 1 always had a tin ear under the Poison Dwarf when it came to listening to calls for political sensitivity, given his liking for a dictatorial style of rule, but times do change.

The Magnitsky Act is no joke to many people, despite the way that Trump chooses to downplay it, so that it might be very unwise to get mixed up in anything that might involve it, such as taking funding from Russia. Doing that could put Formula 1 further into disfavor with many people on the left; they already dislike loud things that go fast, on principle.

Me, I like loud things that go fast, just fine, but I like the idea behind the Magnitsky Act more than that.
But Formula One PLC doesn't seem to have a problem taking money for Russia hosting an F1 race.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 09:08
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Originally Posted by fleigle View Post
Changing the tone a little bit;
Dan Gurney has died.
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That is sad news. He was a very talented driver across many disciplines, although one must disapprove of his introduction of the spraying of champagne on the podium. Countless gallons of the stuff have now been wasted.

On reflection I think he was only the second driver to win a World Championship Grand Prix in a car of his own manufacture, Spa 1967, but I am sure someone with a better memory will correct me.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:04
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One thing's for certain, he achieved a standing in the sport that will be hard to surpass.

Don't think the muppet that's Britain's present #1 will ever get to his level.
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Old 15th Jan 2018, 21:05
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Originally Posted by PLovett View Post

On reflection I think he was only the second driver to win a World Championship Grand Prix in a car of his own manufacture, Spa 1967, but I am sure someone with a better memory will correct me.
Correct AFAIK. He was also the only GP winner for Porsche as a constructor, won the Brabham name's first GP victory and was the only driver to win the first GP for three different makes.

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 00:36
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I think Dan Gurney was one of only three F1 drivers to win a World Championship Grand Prix in a car of their own manufacture, the other two being Jack Brabham (7 races) and Bruce McLaren, Spa 1968.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 12:20
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Sergey Sirotkin confirmed at Williams with Kubica as reserve/development driver
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 12:37
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 14:14
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Back to Williams and cash from one very dodgy Russian, if you don't mind.

Formula One is a shark pool. If there's some way of putting a spoke in Williams' wheel by bringing the Magnitsky Act into play, that might well be done. That would be because Willams is uniquely exposed to serious, indirect consequences from a possible violation of the Magnitsky Act. (Pardon the aviation content, but one sometimes sees a deal from a non-US supplier to some entity under US sanctions get scuppered because of peripheral US content in some aircraft or other. Same thing here, maybe.)

It's one thing to participate in a GP held in Russia, when all teams take part. It's something quite different for Williams alone to accept millions of dollars in funding that come, ultimately, from a Putin crony. Doing that sort of thing is what is causing some real bother even for our 45th President, Donald Trump, and his gimcrack business empire. There's someone with enormous power and influence who still finds himself in some trouble because of the Magnitsky Act. Williams Formula One, by comparison ... a very small fish and thus a very attractive target for some ambitious US federal prosecutor.

Big Bucks Bernie was notorious for his love of despots, his greed, and his wilful ignorance about where the big bucks were coming from; Formula One thus ended up with some very, very strange bedfellows. Following on from that, I would assume that Williams Formula One just looked at the bucks when they chose this Russian, not at the implications of taking those bucks from a Putin crony. It might be that the political climate has changed, so that even Formula One could feel a chill. That's all. For the rest we need to wait and see what happens. (A personal declaration of interest: When it comes to Formula One, I find that rather boring. MotoGP is my thing. The politics of Russia under Putin, though? FASCINATING! This possible link between the Magnitsky Act and Formula One is much more interesting to me than Formula One itself.)
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 16:16
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It may not be a problem for Williams as SMP, (Rotenberg), were backing Sirotkin when he was at Renault, plus other drivers in Indy Car.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Linedog View Post
But Formula One PLC doesn't seem to have a problem taking money for Russia hosting an F1 race.

The problem is Boris Rotenberg is specifically listed for sanctions by the US Treasury under the Magnitsky Act as he is a close friend Oligarch of Putin. Anything to do with Boris is persona non grata. So if his bank funds Williams in anyway then it will be subject to the very same sanctions. Im really surprised Williams & Liberty have not got this on their radar but who knows.

The last thing Donald will do is interfere with these sanctions methinks.

F1 hosting a race in Russia doesn't come into play with Rotenberg or Magnitsky Act. The guy pushing Magnitsky in the USA is a billionaire with loads of Political supporters. Bill Browder

F1 have never shown a lot of effort on human rights but they might want to take this one very seriously. Go check WIKI, Magnitsky and Browder
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:35
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 18:47
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When robots drive the cars, F1 should get robots to fill the stands. Otherwise, I doubt anyone will be interested.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:24
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Is it worth paying the sky high price of 4K F1 live viewing?


I have been quite happy with the C4 coverage, even with only 50% of races but this seems to be coming to an end.
If I have to pay to view, is the (substantial) extra cost for 4k worth it?


I am not currently a "news of the world tv" subscriber.
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