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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 18:12
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What happened to the ?

Haven't seen that since the inaugural race at Austin. Thought it was a nice touch, but maybe Pirelli got cheap - real Stetsons are surprisingly expensive. Real, high-quality Stetsons are wallet-busting expensive!
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 18:43
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Do you know how much money is floating around in F1, LH could probably buy most Stetson's in Texas and still not blink cast wise.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 20:10
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Do you know how much money is floating around in F1, LH could probably buy most Stetson's in Texas and still not blink cast wise.
Indeed.

Did you see the envy when he saw Takuma Sato's Indy-winner ring?

Some things money cannot buy . . .
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 20:50
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Indeed.

Did you see the envy when he saw Takuma Sato's Indy-winner ring?

Some things money cannot buy . . .
Wonder what Sato thinks of LH's 3 (soon to be 4) world championships?

Alonso's performance should be a pointer how the very best F1 drivers would cope in Indy, in general.
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How many people (be they F1 or otherwise) would like to have a Le Mans win? (I know I would)

Brendon Hartley has . . .
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 02:38
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Originally Posted by twb3 View Post
Haven't seen that since the inaugural race at Austin. Thought it was a nice touch, but maybe Pirelli got cheap - real Stetsons are surprisingly expensive. Real, high-quality Stetsons are wallet-busting expensive!

They aren't that bad - I bought one about a year ago. Most go for around $100 - although I'm sure the top-of-the-line stuff is quite a bit more.
Biggest problem might be fit - if a Stetson doesn't fit it's a pain. Too big and it falls down on your face, too small and it won't stay on.
Not sure what they did at that first race - perhaps they had a box of them with one sized for each of the top drivers...
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 05:04
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"McLaren"

Haven't been on here for a while.
Did a quick search of the thread and didn't see any mention.

Watched the "McLaren" movie/doco on a recent flight.
I am ashamed to admit I hadn't fully realized the history of the great Bruce McLaren. His untimely death came before I was old enough to become a real motor racing fan.
What an incredible talent- I'll even forgive him for being a Kiwi.

Anybody else seen it and moved by it?
Watching some of the fantastic footage reminded me why I can't even be bothered to watch F1 now. Whereas one time I would get up at insane hours so as not to miss a single race for decades. Drivers pinged for wheels off the track? Pffffft. Marc Marquez is right.
Watch some of the footage of real racing and try to honestly tell yourself the whole thing is not a farce now.

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Old 24th Oct 2017, 06:34
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After Austin I would love to have been a fly on the wall at the follow-up conference with Liberty. They truly have an uphill battle to bring F1 to the US in a big way. All the silly Razzamataz in the world isn't going to hack it if one team/one driver is likely to be the sure winner in every race. It was pretty clear from the camera footage that the race didn't capture the interest of the 'Celebs' much beyond the start and my guess is that the American public will respond much the same way after some initial interest. Died in the wool F1 fans will argue differently because they cultivate an in depth knowledge of tyre choice, aerodynamic options and knowing what buttons have to be pushed on the steering wheel but the average public want a race to the finish and F1 currently fails to provide that essential ingrediant.. in spite of expenditure normally only associated with third world debt and the space program.
Having lived in the US for some years I can tell you that the American public like their sports simple.. it's one reason that Rugby and Cricket find it tough going. They'll want a race.
Liberty will want to make some major changes unless they naively think they can sell the sport long term as a Celeb and Brass Band circus.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 07:10
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Originally Posted by bekolblockage View Post
Haven't been on here for a while.
Did a quick search of the thread and didn't see any mention.

Watched the "McLaren" movie/doco on a recent flight.
I am ashamed to admit I hadn't fully realized the history of the great Bruce McLaren. His untimely death came before I was old enough to become a real motor racing fan.
What an incredible talent- I'll even forgive him for being a Kiwi.

Anybody else seen it and moved by it?
Watching some of the fantastic footage reminded me why I can't even be bothered to watch F1 now. Whereas one time I would get up at insane hours so as not to miss a single race for decades. Drivers pinged for wheels off the track? Pffffft. Marc Marquez is right.
Watch some of the footage of real racing and try to honestly tell yourself the whole thing is not a farce now.
Like you I can't be bothered to watch, I have not in fact since Damon's win. F1 is an example of something that has gone badly downhill over the last couple of decades. I suspect that money is the root cause of it.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 10:21
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Like you I can't be bothered to watch, I have not in fact since Damon's win. F1 is an example of something that has gone badly downhill over the last couple of decades. I suspect that money is the root cause of it.
Well, I think that money is the root cause of it but perhaps not in the way you meant.
I think the problem has been trying to stop teams with money from spending it so that everything appears "fair" (the every child wins a prize mentality pervading our society now).
It has created contrived racing.
It is the constant changing of rules to try to make sure we keep it "exciting" for the people who "like their sports simple".

It is what I hated in some of the touring car categories, where as soon as one make of car won 2 weeks in a row, they suddenly got hit with a ballast penalty or a raised ride height or a front splitter mod. Because somehow they think adults couldn't have an attention span of more than 30 seconds and would walk away if their favourite car lost again.

It destroys exactly what people loved about seeing the Bruce McLarens of the world, come from nowhere and catch up and beat the established teams with budgets 5-10 times what he had. THAT is what is exciting and attracts the crowds.

You will never stop teams with money spending it somewhere along the chain to achieve a perceived advantage. It makes it even sweeter when somebody comes along with a lot less and does beat them.

Americans have plenty of other classes of racing if they want to see the lead change 6 times in a lap or nobody be allowed to get a break of more than 10 seconds. If F1 is not simple enough for them, tough. Pack up the circus and go elsewhere.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 12:02
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And instead I watched the MotoGP races from Phillip Island - all 3 classes and all with outstanding racing and plenty of overtaking and excitement. I don't even bother to record F1 any more. I may watch Q3 so I can see who has a chance of coming 2nd or 3rd.

BTW - as I have suggested previously - why don't they just pave the whole racetrack precinct and let drivers drive where they like. Obviously staying within the track limits isn't required any more.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 12:53
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Having lived in the US for some years I can tell you that the American public like their sports simple.

I once asked someone over there to explain the rules of American Football & Baseball. That was an eye-opener. First they didn't know so much, and didn't care either. I still can't figure it out; but they did like a fast flowing game of rugby. It was fun, didn't stop too often, was about the right length of time, seemed pretty straight forward once they discovered the forward pass was outlawed. They didn't stop for tackles & 'scrimmages', but got up and kept going. Hell, the tackles with no armour: how did we defeat those guys in war of Independence?

If they get rid of USA F1 because it is not a feast of over taking etc. etc. then please can some of the street circuits also get binned. It started with Monaco which is just a weekend for the playboys to sleep at home. It is not an F1 RACE. It's a party. This led to others. Same thing. It's a tick on the CV for some cities to think they've joined the jet set, and to but squillions in to the coffers of Bernie & F1. An F1 circuit should be built for racing = varying speeds, courage braking points, decent width and overtaking. It is more a spectacle than a race. Like some critics have said about various recent films, "more affect than substance."

And other thing; It seemed to me that the pole position in USA was at a disadvantage being on the outside of the first 120 degree turn. Surely the 'blocking' line was down the inside, i.e. Vettel. There are other tracks where I feel #2 has a better line in than the pole.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 12:58
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As I have said before - why don't people who like MotoGP and hate F1 go away and create their own thread where they can discuss the lesser 2-wheeled kindergarten games to their heart's content. There is nothing quite as pointless as posting in a discussion of a recent F1 thread to say "I don't like F1 and never watch it. I just love watching children on bicyles". It's such a strange way for a grown-up to behave!

There's an interesting bit of reportage on the skyf1 site where Lewis is explaining how he sits down before each race and decides which corners are more likely to damage tyres, so that he can decide the parts of the track where it's best to be "not so fast".

He also explains that it was his spotting (with some surprise) that Seb wasn't protecting his tyres in these "sensitive" corners which told him that he'd be able to pass him and stay ahead.

Perhaps there's more to this racing lark than just sitting in the seat and engaging the autopilot...

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Old 24th Oct 2017, 14:25
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Hear hear.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 20:05
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Is it possible to have an F1race at Laguna Seca,or is it too narrow/dusty,etc....?
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 20:11
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Laguna Seca and Sears Point are pretty old, so the track is narrow and the run-off areas are pretty small, considering the speed that these modern racing cars are going.
Imagine pulling up to 4.5 lateral g's in a corner and losing it !!!

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Old 25th Oct 2017, 09:22
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david1300 raises a valid point. I am not a fan of 2 wheeled racing and never have been, but I do miss the excitement that F1 generated before the days of electronically controlled everything. It's probably partly me being a codger of course but there was something special about events such as the Monaco GP and Le Mans when you genuinely didn't know who was going to win before the race started.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 09:44
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Nostalgia’s not what it used to be.....
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 20:18
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I've just watched the FIA drivers' press conference for Mexico, and I have great respect for the way that Max Verstappen has conducted himself after his disappointment at losing his podium place.
Better behaved than his father.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 11:45
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I've just watched the FIA drivers' press conference for Mexico, and I have great respect for the way that Max Verstappen has conducted himself after his disappointment at losing his podium place.
Better behaved than his father.
No doubt been told to by Red Bull after calling the steward a mongol and idiot in an interview after the race.

I realise that was in the heat of the moment, he is still young and apologised for this afterwards.

Always wondered if the team person who seem to record all the interviews is also there to stop them saying controversial things or just making sure by taping it that the journo's don't pull quotes out of context.
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