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Old 18th Sep 2017, 14:08
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That should be on Seb's wall . . .
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 14:15
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I don't think Vettel actually hit the front wheel of Verstappen but squeezed him into the path of Kimi. The footage from Max's car show him slow as Vettel came across and he then got tagged as Kimi's rear wheel hit Max's front wheel. Kimi was already ahead of Max at this time and managed to collect Vettel on the way. Kimi was then off line, Max went past and got hit again by Kimi which sent him into the side of Alonso.
I agree, SV did not make contact with MV. I assume as the leader he is entitled to go for the racing line. He actually managed to get in front on MV prior to being side swiped by KR. I think MV caught KR on his rear wheels which sent his front into SV.

I am not apportioning blame. Everyone will have a view, the camera is quite clear who hit who.
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Accentuated by Kimi's higher speed (having come from further back).
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 16:29
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Hamilton's relatively poor qualifying at this race seems to have done him a big favour!
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 17:09
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It didn't help poor Fernando Alonso, though.

I think Lewis deserves a bit of credit for avoiding both the first turn pile up and SV's subsequent spin and contact with the wall.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 17:13
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LH reacted extremely well to the ensuing chaos into turn 1 then was smart enough to avoid being caught up in SV's soon to follow exit.

From then on his driving was imperious and DR simply could not get near to him despite the series of safety car deployments.

Love him or hate him his management of the race was world class.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:06
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Yes, despite the later two safety car periods and restarts which wiped out the lead Lewis had built, Ricciardo didn't really seem to be much of a threat at all.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:17
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And when you consider they all ended up on slicks on an effectively dry track makes it makes it a bit of a mystery as to why quality was so off pace.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:20
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Horner claimed that Danny was "managing" a gearbox oil pressure issue from quite early on in the race.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 23:52
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From AutoSport.

Vettel, who was on the outside and moved over to cover the inside line as Verstappen and Raikkonen approached on his left, said it was not clear what had happened.

"I don't know, I didn't see that much," Vettel told TV crews when asked to describe the accident.

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"I had an average start and then went to the left trying to fend off Max and the next thing I get a bump on the side and see Kimi's car.

"That's how this business is, and we'll move on. It doesn't change much."
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 08:36
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
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I don't think Vettel actually hit the front wheel of Verstappen but squeezed him into the path of Kimi.
You're right and I was wrong! I originally thought the overhead shot showed Seb tagging Max's front wing as he pulled across, but after looking at all the views I think what I as seeing was the spray from Seb's car crossing in front of Max's foreplane and suddenly deflecting upwards.

So the actual first impact was Kimi pulling across in front of Max before he'd got past him, causing his rear wheel to hit Max's front wheel. That pushed the back-end of Kimi's car and pointed the nose at Seb. If Seb hadn't pulled across so abruptly he'd have been clear of the accident, and Max's car would have T-Boned Kimi's car taking them both off. That would have left us with a Seb/Lewis race which (IMHO) Lewis would probably have won if he'd managed to pass him while the track was still very wet because Seb has no particular history of performing well in the wet.

On that basis I would suggest the root cause was Kimi's fault for pulling right before completing his passing manoeuvre. Seb is responsible for his own involvement and its consequences IMHO. Pulling across to claim the line off a bad start that aggressively is risky on a dry track - a wet track massively increases that risk and he was silly to attempt it. 20-20 hindsight is always so useful, of course!

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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:33
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PDR,

from the footage from inside Max's car it looks like he could see what was going to happen and lifted or even braked - I thought I heard Max say that he braked on the radio when he finally came to a stop.

I cant remember who said it but the phrase "you cannot win a race on the first corner but you can loose it" seems very appropriate.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 21:13
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Williams has slimmed its shortlist of drivers to partner Lance Stroll for the 2018 Formula 1 season down to three drivers.
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Formula One is working on a microphone that can be attached to a car's exhaust system to make the sport louder and more visceral for television viewers.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 21:23
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Formula One is working on a microphone that can be attached to a car's exhaust system to make the sport louder and more visceral for television viewers.
My neighbour has an Audi A4 sport thingy that already does something similar in that it has a microphone in the engine system which plays the engine noise over the cars sound system to make it sound 'throatier'.....
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 16:07
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Aston Martin Red Bull.

I realise that I have been out of the loop for some time, but who is now bankrolling AM?

I see that Mercedes AMG acquired a 5% share of AM, and will supply engines and electrical systems.

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What will Red Bull Formula 1 deal do for Aston Martin?
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 11:34
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 08:48
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
PDR,

from the footage from inside Max's car it looks like he could see what was going to happen and lifted or even braked - I thought I heard Max say that he braked on the radio when he finally came to a stop.

I cant remember who said it but the phrase "you cannot win a race on the first corner but you can loose it" seems very appropriate.
Or as Muddley Talker put it, "In order to win a race you have got to finish the race."
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