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Old 29th Nov 2016, 17:48
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Sorry, got that wrong. I thought the crash was due to mechanical failure, and in testing. Never mind; it certainly was a bad crash.

If you read Moss's account of his injuries he was hemiplegic (left side of body) and in a coma, for a month. I don't think you could really make him out to have been malingering, just trying to collect on his insurance!

The interesting thing is his telling of how Rob Walker had a deal lined up that would have seen him in a Ferrari for the next season. That would have been something to see!

Then too, the way that Moss once spoke up for Hawthorne, salvaging Hawthorne's points, when Moss later lost the championship by one point ... that is sportsmanship! Could you imagine Lewis Hamilton doing that for a close rival? The guy is a very talented chav and not much more than that.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 19:20
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Reminded me why I no longer bother to watch the "sport". An Englishman would not adopt such underhand tactics.
Are you suggesting that LH is not English?

The only way this race was going to have any interest was the way it panned out. LH did the only thing he could. Why didn't Nico try and get past? Because he's not a racer that's why.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 19:41
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Bewildered, I had to read that twice...thought you'd written 'racist' instead of 'racer'.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 02:11
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If Hamilton had been in the same position as Rosberg was he would have been all over him like a rash to get past - he is indeed a racer.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 05:37
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Should have been double points for the final race!!!!!!!!!
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 09:24
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Not that simple for Rosberg .. LH was slowing everyone down in the corners but accelerating away hard on the straight to keep Rosberg from getting within DRS range with the risk of him passing.. If he'd slowed them up any more then there was a chance of Rosberg deciding to tangle with LH and the risk of Rosberg taking them both off which would have handed him the championship but left Mercedes with two broken cars and no points.. this might have been in Toto's mind when issuing instructions for LH to get on with it... LH had a run of bad starts and a run of bad luck during the season.. well that's racing. Rosberg suffered similarly with bad luck in 2013 and lost the championship as a result. That's F1.. it doesn't only require a fast driver it requires luck and consistency.. there are a few potential world champions on the grid right now who are not driving a Mercedes.. unfortunate for them, fortunate for LH and Rosberg..
Looking forward to next season.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 11:19
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What is Lewis' brief? To win the championship for Mercedes, constructors, and to win races for the team; then to win the world championship for himself: and the team. It is the driver who wins the WC not the team. So, did Lewis try to fulfil his brief or not?
In tennis the top players would try to win by disrupting the rhythm of their opponent. They might know they can not out serve or out hit the other guy, so they slow it down and take the pace off the ball. Chang even served underarm to Lendel in Paris. McEnroe used to chip & charge and not get into Conner's type base line hitting marathons. It do what you have to, within the rules, to win. That is what sport is all about. Winning fairly.
It seems the debate is about 'what is fair'. All's fair in love & war, and softies come 2nd.
Lewis was never going to jeopardise his race & Mercedes win. He had only one card to play. It could be argued, by the 'sporting brigade' that he could have hammered for the last 5 laps and put in lap record after lap record and shown his try driving abilities. He would have lost the WC in style, but not gone down fighting to the end. If he had hammered then perhaps Riicardo & Vetel might have followed and pressurised Nico more: he never seemed in trouble of holding onto 2nd.
I suspect there will be 2 camps in the debate, both within the public and the drivers. Could Lewis have joined the ranks of 'clinical winners?' Shoemaker was one. He was fast without the obvious flare of Senna or LH. Jackie S was the same. So smooth, so fast, without it seemingly apparent. I wonder what Nigel M thinks of it all. He was a brute of a racer. You could see steam coming out of the car when he was pushing.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 12:21
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Spot on with Mansell.. For me the most watchable driver of recent years.. 'Only one fastest line through a corner?' Nobody told Mansell that !
Debates like this will always be part of the sport.. As the years and decades pass people will simply fall back on the statistics as to who was 'The Greatest' .. Prost won 4 world championships but 50 yrs from now will it be remembered that he negotiated contracts that would allow him to chop and change easily between teams so as to ensure that he was almost always driving the fastest cars ? That he insisted on choosing his team-mate so as to ensure he would not have to compete against a similar car with top driver ?
This event and the races that made up the season will fade into time and we'll be left with a World Championship won by N Rosberg. To my mind the simple fact of having won more points means that his name against that championship is well deserved.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 12:34
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Are you suggesting that LH is not English?
LH is British, but he isn't 'English' in the accepted Anglo-Saxon sense.

LH raised a valid point when he asked why it was always his engine that blew up. There's a thin line between coincidence and suspicion - especially with the amount of gambling money involved in all major sports events these days.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 13:49
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Why didn't Nico try and get past? Because he's not a racer that's why.
A bit unfair on Nico. When it became critical that he passed Max, he did so in short order with a minimum of fuss. Lewis may have slowed right down, but that didnít mean he was easy to pass Ė he was quite clever in adding just enough speed to keep Nico at bay in the normal overtaking places. Iím with MungoP on this one; Nico had little to gain but plenty to lose by trying to take Lewis on.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 14:01
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I personally thought it was an excellent race. Little Max being Max (another great drive), LH doing everything he could to win the WC (quite rightly) and NR doing all he had to to win it. I thought Merc management came out of this badly. They had the constructors sewn up long ago (and this is their main focus), they have one and two in the drivers, they should have kept their noses out and let the drivers get on with it. No great fan of LH but I can appreciate his driving skill and I think he was correct to tell Merc to mind their own business and let him race.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 14:06
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I think he was correct to tell Merc to mind their own business and let him race.

Agreed. Race means winning, not being as fast as possible. There is F1 & there is Stock car racing.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 12:27
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One-time champion.

Nico Rosberg retires: World champion quits Formula 1.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 12:44
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Well, I wasn't expecting that.

So who will fill the vacancy?
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 12:58
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JB come back lol

How much can they throw at Max Verstappen?
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 13:00
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Alsoran jump ship.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 13:06
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Votes for LH + 1 other: for some feisty racing.

1. Vetel. They seem to like each other's competitive attitude and they smile with each other.
2. Max. He'll roast anyone in his way. Precocious, but not yet at his peak. LH will show him.
3. Riccardo. Also a real racer.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 13:10
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I think it could go to Carlos Sainz
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 13:10
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I guess the cynical view is that Nico realised he was never likely to beat Lewis over a whole season again, and quit while he was ahead.

More charitably, he’s a married man with a young daughter. Now that he’s achieved his career ambition and made a bit of dosh maybe he feels his priorities in life have changed.

As to who will replace him, depends whether Merc want to promote from within or not. Ocon and Wehrlein are both contracted to Mercedes as test drivers, but Ocon has signed for Force India next season. Wehrlein also has the advantage of being German, which strengthens his credentials as a direct replacement for Rosberg.

External candidates? Mad Max is contracted to Red Bull, and both he and Ricciardo may feel that the team are closing the gap on Mercedes anyway. Alonso is on a huge salary at McLaren. Of the leading drivers, my guess would be Seb Vettel, who is clearly disillusioned at Ferrari. Whether Mercedes feel they can accommodate two big personalities is another matter. So my guess is Wehrlein.

Of course, there’s always Jenson………
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 13:45
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I wouldn't expect either Ricciardo or Verstappen to jump ship. RedBull are very, umm, bullish about season 2017.
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