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Old 2nd Sep 2016, 08:07
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I can't remember the driver he replaced at RedBull, but was't he dumped for being too reckless?
I think that was a convenient excuse. Yes, Kvyat was on the wrong end of a couple of incidents with Seb Vettel but up till then his career seemed to be in the ascendant; he himself had been promoted from Torro Rosso to Red Bull.

In reality, Kvyat’s banishment from Red Bull almost certainly had more to do with the driver market than his performance. Some of the bigger teams were taking a lot of interest in young Max, and Kvyat’s departure conveniently allowed Red Bull to promote Max to a leading team and secure his services. For the time being at least.
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Old 3rd Sep 2016, 08:09
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I would expect Mr. Horner to have the skills to maximise Max's potential at minimum cost.
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Old 3rd Sep 2016, 11:24
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Oh dear. More poor form by Max.......

Formula 1 | Yahoo Sport UK - Verstappen: Villeneuve is the one who killed someone

Definitely below the belt, that one.....
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Old 3rd Sep 2016, 11:45
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Verstappen is correct in what he says.
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Old 3rd Sep 2016, 16:11
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Verstappen is arrogant and hotheaded.

That makes him exciting to watch. But it doesn't make it good fair driving. He will cause a massive accident if he doesn't change his dangerously aggressive defensive driving.

The incident with Kimi in Spa on the Kemmel Straight almost ended the same way as Mark Webber and Heikki Kovalainen's coming together in Valencia in 2010, or like Alonso's crash in Australia this year.



The fact he cannot see the problem, and is unwilling to listen to far more experienced drivers, shows his immaturity.
One day he will be a truly fantastic driver, the greatest of his generation probably. But only if he grows up and learns to accept he is not beyond improvement or reproach.
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Old 3rd Sep 2016, 20:57
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I remember other outrageously ambitious aggressive drivers in their early years. Lewis was flambastic in his early days and looks what's happened. Anything is possible; I hope Max can be guided onto the correct path. If he can understand he has huge potential and must be patient then we can wait for it to surface and mature. I hope he can think the same way. It is impossible to be calm and mature at the start of your career. Understanding that is vital for anyone.
I would've been interested in seeing how Max would have faired if Seb had been his team-mate. See was a little the same in the early days, but discovered very quickly the best way to 'go about your business'.

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Old 5th Sep 2016, 10:08
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Bye Bye Bernie (Chapter 4,927)

Story in todays paper about a possible buyout of the CVC stake in F1 (35.5%) which could spell the end of Bernie's reign. When questioned about this his reply was 'Bullshit'. Full story attached.

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Old 5th Sep 2016, 11:00
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Sadly Max ..Could be badly injured or even killed as well, that is if he carrys on being "Mad Max"..!!
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Old 5th Sep 2016, 17:42
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Could be much better for F1 without the money grabbing lot at CVC and that jumped up twit Mackenzie!

As DJT would say "How the Hell could it be any worse"

Get rid of the Poison Dwarf and get some folks in that understand the rules!
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Old 6th Sep 2016, 13:06
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Below is a list of race winners and their winning team from 4th September 2016, in reverse chronological order to the start of the 2014 season. Rosberg has won about 2/3rds as many as Hamilton, leading me to conclude that the car is largely responsible for the dominance.

How boringly predictable. What is more, 2016 is even more of a whitewash (silverwash?) than 2015 or 2014. Why have the other top teams fallen further behind, rather than catch up? Is this not abysmal?


Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes

Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes

Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing Renault
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing Renault
Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing Renault
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
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Old 6th Sep 2016, 14:02
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Other decades similar results just different teams. The others did catch up, eventually; and some of those who dominated are now struggling. Seb won 4 wold championships. His car was dust in the distance. Before that Mclarean & Williams had been the force; now there are they? Shu-y was hot with Ferrari, but I think that was him rather than the car.
The technology is perhaps still so new, and the tyres, and they keep fiddling, tinkering & tweaking the rules. No-one has time to consolidate and stabilise. Once you are in front with R&D perhaps it is easy to stay there. A couple of years of no changes might level the playing track.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 08:38
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According to my Morning Rag, it seems Bernie could be toast by this afty, I dont think it would make a big difference to F! if he were not there, but in his place would be others who would want to throw their weight about possibly..
However please can we go back to Big Hairy Arsed V8,10,12, that really make a car sound like its racing...its not all of us who want a milk float racing past ..!
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 10:27
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Ah, but has F1 not moved on from a pure racing hi-speed circus and is surviving in part by being a technology R&D circus? Given the strides that Mercedes and others are making in Hybrid engines and lots of other goodies I'm sure they will filter their way down the food chain to the shopping cart. Between them & Tesla the future will be interesting and difficult to predict, except that it will be very different.
For real visual racing go to GP2, DTM or MotoGP/2/3.
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Peter RB,record milk-float speed was 84.5 mph,but it had a V 8 Rover,so a few of them would liven up F1...
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Bernie Ecclestone: Formula 1 boss says 'to stay for three more years' after takeover.

Bernie Ecclestone: F1 boss' time could be running out.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 12:37
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M Schumacher was in the right car at the right time. He was also something other than sporting......... On the other hand, taking a drive through on the last lap is genius and within the rules.
They were actually pretty ordinary when he joined them. Their dominance in the following years, I believe, owes a great deal to the group of talented people who were recruited at about the same time. Schumacher of course, but Brawn, Todt, Byrne as well. That and the fact the authorities seemed to indulge them……

Part of the teams genius in that era was indeed their ability to exploit just about every possible loophole in the rule book.
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Old 7th Sep 2016, 16:58
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Perhaps the next time Max tries it on, one of his fellow drivers will lump him one in the same way that Webber should have floored Vettel after the infamous Multi 21 incident - come on boys show some spirit and the hell with Bernie and Charlie !
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The Shocking Difference Between the Current and 2017 F1 Tires

I fear they are going the wrong way - bigger tires and more downforce. Yea they'll go faster in the corners, but that'll just make just make it harder to pass...
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Old 8th Sep 2016, 14:29
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Well,.. Deal Done, F1 sold to a hard man from the US of A also seems Bernie is to stay on for at least another three years... good example for us Oldie's he will be 89 in three years..you never know he might need McLaren to design for him a special electric buggy to get around on.. especially at Grid Times ..

Let hope they see the benefit of spending a little bit of money on the actual F1, rather than just raping it in..!
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Old 8th Sep 2016, 19:54
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Yea they'll go faster in the corners, but that'll just make just make it harder to pass...

Or perhaps not. Big tyres add a significant amount of drag so slipstreaming plus DRS may be more beneficial.


The whole formula is fecked. Give us back V12s or V6 turbos, 130 decibels, flames at the exhaust, 3 pedals, a steering wheel and a stick. Charge £100 a ticket and that will bring back the crowds. I remember when Prost, Senna and Mansell were gods and F1 was on the front page.


Lewis, well a nice bloke with undoubted talent but few kids will have his poster on the bedroom wall. I had Ari Vatanen, Barry Sheene and James Hunt on mine. They smoked, drank and shagged anything that moved. Well, perhaps not Ari but he wrung the neck of everything he drove.
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