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Old 24th Jul 2015, 20:34
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A "skirt" for a tractor? Really? Come on.
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Old 24th Jul 2015, 22:24
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Well you could paint it tartan and call it a kilt...
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 00:32
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Most vehicles used for recovery at racing circuits are not the full-time property of the circuit, but are standard construction vehicles hired-in for specific events - events that may only occur a handful of times each year.

Although it would be possible to attach a flexible 'skirt' (maybe even an inflatable one), this would be 'ridiculous' as has been suggested by ShotOne.

Practically possible, but not economically viable.
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 14:35
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Busted!
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 16:32
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Practically possible, but not economically viable
Well I'm not sure that a business making $1bn a year profit can claim not economically viable but hey ho that profit v safety argument is always tricky.

I'm not saying skirts/kilts or whatever are the only answer, in fact a range of measures is the solution and some of those were available and used in other formulas at the time of the accident and have been put in place in F1 very quickly.
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 20:19
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You can't blame the tractor. As Henry says, either the rules need to changed so that a red flag; no overtaking, enter pits, restart under safety car - is compulsory whenever a foreign object likely to cause injury is present inside the race arena (which I think pretty much is already the case..), or the race officials failed in their duty.

It's a wake up call. Hopefully officials around the world have been breifed adequately to ensure it doesn't happen again, it's a pity Jules needed to pay the price.

Like in aviation, nothing changes until something bad happens..
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 21:15
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Glad Rag - did you happen to notice the expressions on Nico's face at the end of the post qualifying driver interviews? You know, when Lewis was expounding on how perfect his car was - Nico was just rolling his eyes, sort of "you got to be kidding me" expression
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Old 25th Jul 2015, 21:23
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During this weekend's practice sessions, when they decided to red-flag the session, the drivers still on the circuit were driving past the obstruction (to reach the pits) at speeds that seemed excessive - I would expect them to drive at a much slower speed (and be prepared to stop). As it happened the track was dry, but hitting debris could have been potentially dangerous.
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 04:22
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Td racer - I think Nico is starting to realise that Hamilton is simply faster than he is.Being out qualified 9 times out of ten should make him face reality.Hamilton is also a racer - like Rossi in MotoGP he is at his best when starting further down the grid.
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 13:47
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Interesting start.
Kimi lost a camera without actually hitting anything. Was it properly attatched in the first place, which should lead to a penalty also, as the weight is crucial, car kept right down to the minimum, would it be sufficient to bring the car below the limit?
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 15:02
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Well, that was another boring procession wasn't it........

Rosberg is going to have nightmares about that cut across Ricciardo - cost him not only the championship lead but the mental edge on Hamilton. I know which one will leave the track thinking he got lucky.....
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 15:08
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Properly enjoyed that one! Rosberg threw it away a bit, Hamilton couldn't keep out of bother (I'd be getting someone else to drive me home tonight if I was him, the sort of day he's had). Cracking drive from Seb.
Madonado appears to have clocked up a world record for penalties accrued in one race...
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 15:09
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Magnificent Seb!
Without taking anything away from Seb Vettel, he was about the only driver who stayed out of trouble and had an incident free race.

What a race though. I think I've seen whole seasons with less incident. Was anyone able to keep count of the number of times Pastor Maldonado was investigated? With all the penalties, he's probably still out there racing. Either that, or he has a couple of hours added to his time......

And Hamilton. Threw it away, recovered, found himself in a potentially race winning position following the safety car, immediately threw it away again, and somehow still increased his lead in the WDC.......
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 15:26
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I think Rosberg threw it away when he decided against the soft tyre because thats what Lewis was doing. He was his own worst enemy today.
Once again Lewis shows he is prone to mistakes when things aren't going his way.
Ricciardo had a great drive despite Mercedes trying to knock him off the track but Vettel was masterful. That start was bloody brilliant.
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 16:39
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I wonder how it would have panned out if LH had stayed on the track in lap 1
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 17:17
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I wonder how it would have panned out if LH had stayed on the track in lap 1
He'd have won...as usual.
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 20:45
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Pretty special race.

I've really grown to like "the finger, mk2" at Ferarri [his transformation mirrors Hamiltons when he threw off that McLaren personality shroud] and his comments both in car, on the podium and in interviews mark him out as having really moved on from the RB squeal fest.

Hamiltons post race interview was outstanding. Yes, he always wears his heart on his sleeve. His apology to the team [also during the race] his honesty in admitting his errors to the fans also show a maturity that was not there 18 months ago.

Rosberg, well not much to say really. If Daniel Riccardio [??] hadn't his friends funeral on his mind and his wish to honour his memory I think britanny might have met up with some Aussie True Grit the hard way after that chop....
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 04:41
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What with living here and all, I have taken an interest in the Honda engine story, but there seems to be little reported on the websites I usually visit.

Alonso finished 5th, ahead of Lewis, and Button was 9th at Hungary, making McLaren 3rd equal on team points for that race, and I was hoping there might be more information than just Alonso's comment about a nice present for the team, and their luck at everyone else's misfortune.

So I went and had a dig around some Japanese sites and discovered that on Sunday last weekend, for the very first time, Honda gave permission for the wick to be turned up fully. They held off, apparently, on using any tokens, however, as the track suited their car in the present set-up. Mr Arai, who is in charge of engine development, seems to be implying that they will only use two or three of their seven remaining precious tokens for an MGU-K or possibly engine (ICE) upgrade before Spa after the summer. He wants to spend the summer thinking.

There is an old Japanese proverb 石橋を叩いて渡る (Ishibashi wo tataite wataru), describing a belt-and-braces person, someone who will not cross a stone bridge without tapping every stone. Honda want this thing badly, but they refuse to rush, frustrating indeed for poor Ron, but Mercedes will surely be keeping a weather eye out for them.
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 07:18
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Festina lente. Sometimes we need more of this in the West.
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 18:00
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I was re-watching the Hungary race last night. While it would still have been an interesting race, the safety car is what really changed the whole complexion. Before the safety car, there were significant gaps between most of the positions, and Alonso was 10th, a lap down. Allowing the lapped cars back on the lead lap was a godsend for Alonso and Button, allowing them to greatly benefit when those in front had issues... Heck, if not for the safety car I suspect Kimi could have still finished in the points even after the failure.

Still, a hugely entertaining race, and a fine drive by Seb.
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