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Old 24th Aug 2014, 18:36
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As I understand it, theres's 1 team order - race as much as you like but don't take out your team mate......
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 19:12
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It is up to the driver overtaking to make the move cleanly and to make it stick. Hamilton stuck to the racing line and did not swerve or otherwise defend unfairly. Rosberg was out to prove a point and has admitted such. He should have backed out of the move as he did not have more than half his car alongside Hamilton. He was at fault. He chose not to back out, probably hoping to intimidate Hamilton.

As for the last race the team has admitted that the order should not have been given and that Hamilton was right not to slow down to let Rosberg pass. Rosberg did not close sufficiently on Hamilton to get past without harming Hamiltons race.
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 19:27
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Oh, boo-hoo!

I agree with what you have just written on a technical level, but somehow I still think that Rosberg is rather pleased with the way things worked out, just as pleased as Hamilton was with the way things worked out in the previous race.

If there's to be no serious consideration of the interests of the team as a whole, as in allowing an overtake when that's to the team's advantage, what does selfish logic dictate? "Every man for himself," I guess .... Rosberg seems to have figured this one out, caught up with Hamilton. I wonder if Keke had given him some insights into this, told him to "grow a pair."

Rosberg now has a 29-point lead and a thoroughly pissed-off rival. What does Hamilton have, moral superiority? He knows where to find sympathy, I think.

As Graham Hill supposedly said, "You find a much better class of person at the back of the grid."

Mark me down as a bad person, but I mostly watch Formula 1 to see Sebastian Vettel with his lower lip stuck out: Schadenfreude! On the other hand, isn't it nice to see the way his team-mate always seems to be such a happy bunny?
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 19:50
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I'm sure Rosberg is happy at the moment. If he is still happy by the time Monza comes around will be decided in the next few days I think.

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Old 24th Aug 2014, 19:54
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Some more on the Mercedes contretemps: Belgian GP: Wolff says Rosberg's crash comments were misinterpreted - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:13
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Rosberg

Having watched everything on sky f1, I have to say that young Rosberg came across as an absolute pr::t. Not prepared to give a corner, not prepared to give an apology. Meanwhile, Lewis is thinking ahead to the next races.
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:15
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What ever happened to racing to win ?


Now it seems a few drivers are there just to stop someone else winning or getting ahead.
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:22
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Smile 500n

Que? I am asking
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:33
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Sorry, don't understand.

What are you asking ?

Are you questioning why I posted what I did ?
(I have no problem you questioning it, just not sure if you are)
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:50
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All I am saying is that Rosberg admits to a deliberate move on Hamilton. If I was the team boss, I would be threatening him with missing out on the next gp . Trouble is, there seems to be three bosses at Mercedes....niki, toto and paddy
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Old 24th Aug 2014, 23:57
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OK, thanks.

I posted my post after reading that he admitted it was deliberate.

But he is not the only one in the last 10 years of deliberately hitting someone or running them off the track or just holding them up for no real good reason.

Riccardo is showing them up which is good to see plus of course the Aussie flag !
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 00:04
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Wink 500n

I agree, rikki is the man! Mathematically, he is still in there and performance wise he is still in there.....
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 02:09
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On the other hand, isn't it nice to see the way his team-mate always seems to be such a happy bunny?
I don't recall seeing a driver thanking all the clapping grid girls on the way to the podium like Daniel did yesterday.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 02:57
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Disclaimer - I'm rooting for Lewis, not Nico (assuming it's a given one of those two will win the championship - really would like to see Danny win it - especially if it meant Seb has to be the good teammate and help him).
That being said, I suspect what Nico was saying was he felt no obligation to give Lewis room - given the way Lewis has raced him this season (and especially that last lap at Hungary).
I understand fully - as a racer there are some drivers that you'll give room because you know they'll do the same for you. And there are the others - at the moment I suspect Nico considers Lewis to be one of the others.
I recall one of my own races years ago - back and forth with another driver for several laps. Then, he hit me in turn one, I got squirrely and he past me. Next straight I passed him back - next lap he again hit me in turn one, I got squirrely, and he went by. Next lap I held back, got to turn one and I hit him, HARD (the only time in a 35 year racing career I intentionally hit another car) - he got squirrely and I went by. He never hit me again, because he then knew I'd hit back.
I suspect, in Nico's mind, he was doing the same thing...
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 06:49
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In the previous race to this one, Hamilton seemed to put some hard moves on Rosberg, who always moved to avoid a collision. When you hear that team order to let you past, you expect that should happen, for very sound tactical reasons. Instead, Hamilton simply wanted to finish ahead of Rosberg, for very sound personal reasons! You don't suppose, though, that Rosberg has any personal reasons of his own for wanting to finish ahead of Hamilton?

So this time, Hamilton put a hard move on Rosberg, who did not move to avoid a collision, after having put a pretty fair passing move on Hamilton. Then Hamilton could just as well have "left the door open," except that he was not going to do that, counting as he was on Rosberg avoiding him as in their previous encounters. Well, "Surprise!"

Of course the bosses are peed off with Rosberg, since there was a collision that ultimately took Hamilton out of the race. What of the last time, though, when ignoring team orders risked something similar? That was okay because there was no collision, when that was down to Rosberg, not Hamilton. Afterwards, the team management caved in to Hamilton having ignored team orders, when that must have sent an unintended message to Rosberg.

I had told Her Indoors to expect a collision at the beginning of the race, when it came just a bit later than I expected it to and in a different way. I figured it should happen at the first curve after the start: Hamilton into Rosberg. So it took two laps and happened the other way around, but it happened as foreseen, yes. What am I, some sort of genius, to foresee something no-one from Mercedes team management also could see coming?

Both these guys are near-totally self-centered pricks, albeit in different ways, Hamilton with his stupidly over-sized diamond stud earrings, his "gangsta" baseball cap, worn the wrong way around, and that goofy chin strap facial hair; Rosberg with his "Joe Cool" persona. You think that nice guys get to where these two are in Formula 1? Where would the show be in some "Alphonse-Gaston" act, "After you my dear Alphonse," "No, no, after you, my dear Gaston ...."? This is what we want to see: a fight!

The Germans have a saying about "der lachende Dritte," the third man who comes out on top when the first two have a big fight. That must be Daniel Ricciardo, I guess. If things go much further haywire then we might see the leading duo go without points, to be caught and passed by this happy new-comer. That would make for a happy ending to this very odd season, I think.

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Old 25th Aug 2014, 06:56
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The Germans have a saying about "der lachende Dritte," the third man who comes out on top when the first two have a big fight. That must be Daniel Ricciardo, I guess. If things go much further haywire then we might see the leading duo go without points, to be caught and passed by this happy new-comer. That would make for a happy ending to this very odd season, I think.
I was just about to post the same thing, that it could end up with BOTH of them losing the championship and Ricardo taking it

Might wipe the smug grin off Hamilton's face. IMHO, he has been a disappointment since he won the championship.
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 09:37
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If you really want to see a crash followed by a profound disagreement, look up the Allison-Yarborough crash on the last lap of a Daytona 500 stock car race. Those two, Cale Yarborough and Donnie Allison, got to swappin' paint and then it escalated so that both of them crashed out from the lead on the last lap after 500 miles of racing.

Then the other of the two Allison brothers, Bobby, showed up, when a real brawl ensued. All of this played out in full view of the crowd and the TV cameras so that I rate it as one of the best racing crashes ever.

Formula 1 ... nah. The best one there was Kimi telling that reporter why he had missed the big pit-lane farewell ceremony for Michael Schumacher.

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Old 25th Aug 2014, 10:16
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Formula 1 ... nah. The best one there was Kimi telling that reporter why he had missed the big pit-lane farewell ceremony for Michael Schumacher.
Nah..........the best one was Nelson Piquet swinging his fist at ? (I forget now) who had taken him off at Hockenheim as Piquet was lapping him. The idiotic thing was that they were both still wearing their full-face helmets. Piquet must have realised this and then tried to kick the bloke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXbGDcMeo8

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Old 25th Aug 2014, 10:45
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PLOVETT. I think it was Emilio de Villota, whose daughter sadly died recently as a result of a testing crash with the Marussia F. team
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Old 25th Aug 2014, 13:06
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It's quite amusing to read all the negative comments directed at Rossberg here. As another poster said earlier (sorry, posting from iPad makes it hard to refer back) it's simply Rossberg saying to Hamilton 'no more Mr Accommodating Guy - I will not back off for you any more'. And as off the comments about it costing the team points - so what, they are so far ahead it doesn't matter. Rossberg couldn't have predicted a puncture for Hamilton, and he may well have suffered more damage, but sometimes when you show the size of your cajones you are prepared to take some pain on the way

Really nice to see Ricciardo win again after passing whoever his teammate is - the name escapes at the moment
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