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Old 21st Oct 2012, 17:27
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Let me think, eeer, yes, I just did.
oh i get it.. it's that MSG induced alternate reality thing again.

fair enough
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Old 21st Oct 2012, 17:48
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Did I say that José Manuel Barroso was a Marxist? I apologise. He was a leading light in the Maoist movement at one time in his life. That is an infinitely more insidious political platform of indoctrination that Marxism. In fact it's probably harder to unMao oneself than it is to renege on one's Scientology membership.
On the financial floor, Q3 has ended and it rather looks as though Britain might be about to turn the recessionary corner. If she has done so it will be with little help from Europe and more by her own stout efforts. I'm not an Anglophile but I take the opportunity to be cautiously hopeful for the English and to say well done. The Scots of course are, as usual, engaged in back stabbing and benefit pillaging and are no credit to any country in the Europe that Salmond would join.
I've lost track of how many Republics France has gone through but another one will be along shortly. It's a shame Hollande's head won't be carried on a pike through the Tuileries. The French, great people, are justifiably completeley cheesed off that La perfide Albion still rules the waves of finance in spite of German hegemony.
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Old 21st Oct 2012, 18:16
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I've lost track of how many Republics France has gone through but another one will be along shortly. It's a shame Hollande's head won't be carried on a pike through the Tuileries. The French, great people, are justifiably completeley cheesed off that La perfide Albion still rules the waves of finance in spite of German hegemony.



(CC you're certainly not on my ignore list - i always enjoy your posts)


Barrosso.. communist ..

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Old 22nd Oct 2012, 21:20
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Cyprus, Russia and Chinese Immigration.

And you then wonder why? : Theresa May considers curbs on EU migration
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 08:21
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The Scots of course are, as usual, engaged in back stabbing and benefit pillaging and are no credit to any country in the Europe that Salmond would join.
Sigh. Would you care for some orange sauce with that tired old canard, mon ami?

The UK government figures (GERS) indicate that Scotland last year contributed 9.6% of UK taxes and received 9.3% in return. Who's subsidising whom?
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 10:11
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The UK government figures (GERS) indicate that Scotland last year contributed 9.6% of UK taxes and received 9.3% in return. Who's subsidising whom?
UK Government figures ? Maybe but what gets included is the responsibility of the Scottish \government.

GERS is compiled by statisticians and economists in the Office of the Chief Economic Adviser of the Scottish Government. The Scottish Government's Chief Statistician takes responsibility for this publication.

The key results for 2010-11 are as follows:
In 2010-11, total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other tiers of the public sector, plus a per capita share of debt interest payments, was £63.8 billion. This is equivalent to 9.3 per cent of total UK public sector expenditure.
In 2010-11, total Scottish non-North Sea public sector revenue was estimated at £45.2 billion, (8.3 per cent of total UK non-North Sea revenue). Including a per capita share of North Sea revenue, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £45.9 billion (8.3 per cent of UK total public sector revenue). When an illustrative geographical share of North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion (9.6 per cent of UK total public sector revenue).
So you only get the 9.3/9.6 % if you apportion a whacking great share of North Sea revenue to Scotland. Now that may or not be fair but I'm pretty sure that if UK statisticians were presenting the figures they would look somewhat different.

All is fair in love and statistics.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 10:22
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Also in international maritime law, handsfree, which is quite clear about what fields lie in Scottish waters. It is also in UK statute as the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 10:37
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The toys are beginning to be ejected from the pram........

BBC News - MSPs John Finnie and Jean Urquhart quit SNP over Nato policy


So much for their defence policy
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 04:32
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If only, you really think they'll let us go that easily? If they let one go it will turn into a flood. No, the EU/ECJ will find some some way of finding a withdrawal uncompetitive or "undemocratic" or some such reason to prevent it....

Britain has left the European Union in all but name
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 13:51
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Well our little 'collaborator' will of course deny the strikes then blame the UK.
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 13:59
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Incidentally, as it seems France is entering recession the UK is coming out of one. That euro thing and socialist policies are doing wonders for the French economy.

Do we have to wait for the EU to be granted another ludicrous award for our little 'collaborator' to extol his pearls of wisdom on the EU utopia.. ? from Beijing of course...
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 15:24
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yep, UK out of recession, great news!

However this is France turn now it seems (don't quote me I don't have the numbers yet)... Hope it won't last too long, will see.
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 17:21
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Unfortunately, KAG, talk is that the Euroland recession (for it will spread even further) will be worse than the UK one as far as the length of time it will last goes. You also have to think of the instability in Greece (no agreement for the next batch of bailout money), the flip-flopping over Spain (to bailout or not to bailout, that is the question), the Irish/Portuguese/Italian questions, etc. Add in the rising unemployment (you seen the job losses announced in Belgium alone in the last 2 weeks?) and the statements saying that even Germany will be in recession by the end of the year and you can see how hard this one is going to be.

It could have been avoided, however. And the politicians know it.








PS. Amazing how your mind has changed since 4 days ago.......
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 08:23
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So, the EU warning that the UK could lose it's rebate unless it agrees to the proposed EU budget increase; whilst Denmark is saying it will veto the budget unless it gets a rebate. meanwhile the Eurozone integration places the Single Market at risk.

Remind me why we're in this club again?
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 11:55
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The sooner we leave the crap that is the EU far behind the better, thats probably not enough though, we need the whole thing to simply collapse, if it survives in any form there is a chance a future UK leader could try taking us back into it.
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 20:06
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Back in my eagle's nest on a Catalan mountain, I recall writing before I left for four days in Paris, followed by four days in London, followed by three days in Paris, that upon my return I would post my impressions of both capital cities.

Here goes.

In Paris I stay in a very wealthy central area which certainly slants one's view. Talking to the hotel deputy manager he confirmed my visual impression that the hotel is full every night all year round, and that the guests - 90% American - have no trouble paying €280 plus (well over $300) a night. In the local district every bar and bistro and restaurant was full of a happy noisy crowd, again almost every night we had Americans seated either side of us. Considering the miserly portions of wine being dished out, not to mention the carefully measured amounts of food on plates, the tourist trade must be doing well. But then one has to wonder - where are the Parisians themselves ? From what I could see, they are staying at home and saving up to pay ludicruously high social security and tax costs. And the weekly SNCF and metro strikes are now accepted with resignation. Tales of taking 8 hours to get home from work are common. Lawlessness is also on the increase. Pulling up outside a railway station taxi drivers warn you to pay before getting out, put your change/money away first, and watch your bags 'cos the gypsies will be away with them in a flash. So generally then once one leaves the 7th, Paris is a disheartening place to be.

London: one's Eurostar impression (now just a shabby and neglected French express train with torn seats and worn carpets) is immediately slanted by leaving the squalor of the Gare de Nord for the magnificence of St Pancras. Disembark into Euston Rd and the vibrant nature of London hits you. The one-time drug pushers and whores hanging around King's Cross have moved on (you still do well to walk fast here, though). Head down to Oxford Street and John Lewis and Selfridges and Marks & Sparks and Debenhams and all the other stores there put Boulevard Haussman with it's two single big stores (Layfette and Printemps) to shame. London restaurants charge 2/3 the price of those in Paris and the food is just as good. People are very friendly (mind you, in Paris they are better than they were) and public transport is excellent - although more expensive.

Final words: in Paris there's a feeling things can only get worse. In London
there is a feeling things are good and will get better.

Just my impressions !
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Old 27th Oct 2012, 12:40
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When the Chairman of the Nobel Prize Committee, Thorbjorn Jagland, awarded the 2012 Peace Prize to the European Union he announced it was to honour "the advancement of reconciliation and peace, democracy and human rights in Europe".

Is this perhaps the same Thorbjorn Jagland who is Director General of the Council of Europe which whilst not an EU instition is currently in deficit and pleading for funds from the...er... European Union.....

It surely is.
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Old 27th Oct 2012, 12:56
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When the Chairman of the Nobel Prize Committee, Thorbjorn Jagland, awarded the 2012 Peace Prize to the European Union he announced it was to honour "the advancement of reconciliation and peace, democracy and human rights in Europe".

Is this perhaps the same Thorbjorn Jagland who is Director General of the Council of Europe which whilst not an EU instition is currently in deficit and pleading for funds from the...er... European Union.....

It surely is.
corruption in the EU?

who would have thunk it.. the very fact that to date, after some 16 consecutive years, plus, not one set of annual accounts has been signed off on due to errmm endemic corruption..


as fro the Nobel Peace Prize and money.. as i posted here.. http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/4710...ml#post7463726

Clinching the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine for discovering that HPV causes cervical cancer was supposed to be Harald zur Hausen's moment in the limelight. Instead it cast a dark cloud over the entire Nobel organization and led to an investigation by the Swedish police. An anticorruption unit looked into charges of improper influence against AstraZeneca — a pharmaceutical company that had a large stake in two HPV vaccines — after it emerged that the company had strong links with two senior figures on the medicine prize's selection committee. Although charges were never brought, the process got murkier by the fact AstraZeneca had recently begun sponsoring the Nobel website.
i've got my popcorn ready and waiting to see how our little collaborator will attempt to spin that one !

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Old 27th Oct 2012, 16:06
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Given the way the EU's finances are plummeting, by this time next year you would probably be awarded one of the more obscure Nobel Prizes if you toss a hundred pounds into the pot. So get saving !

Incidently I had never met one of those truly raving Arabic fanatics until last week when I innocently (well, perhaps not) mentioned the word "Merkel" to my Parisian taxi driver during a discussion about how things were going in France. Bushy black beard bristled, muscles clenched on the steering wheel, and a veritable explosion of gutteral oaths & curses in the language of the Prophet flew from his lips.

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Old 28th Oct 2012, 10:45
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talking of EU finances plummeting..

Eurozone nears Japan-style trap as money and credit contract again - Telegraph

Data from the European Central Bank show that the tentative rebound in the money supply over the summer may have stalled again in September.

The broad M3 gauge -- watched by experts as an early warning signal for the economy a year or so ahead -- shrank by €30bn and is now down by €143bn since April. This is highly unusual.


The narrow M1 gauge watched for signals of activity six months head has held up better but also contracted in September, falling by €16bn.

"The message is clear," said Lars Christensen from Danske Bank. "The ECB needs to stop obsessing about fiscal issues and do real quantitative easing (QE) if it wants to stop the eurozone going the way of Japan."

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