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Old 15th Jul 2019, 10:22
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Oooooh! Controversy.......

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Cricket World Cup final: Former top umpire Simon Taufel says England should have been awarded five runs, not six, in crucial moment.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 10:33
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The problem with that is the decision was made and England had to go by what they needed to win or tie. For instance, if the umpires had awarded 5 runs then I doubt Stokes would have bunted the last ball of the fifty overs.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 16:48
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It is interesting to see the reaction of the Kiwis to that nonsense about that 6 from 6. They accept the umpire's decision and say "That's the way it goes". Good sportsmen! Meanwhile, I just watched a replay of that ball and from what I can see (plus what I saw yesterday) it is not apparent that Rashid and Stokes had crossed or not. I can see they had crossed well before the ball made it to Stokes' bat.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 16:52
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The crossing is judged at the point of the throw and when he ball was thrown they had not crossed.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 17:34
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The crossing is judged at the point of the throw and when he ball was thrown they had not crossed.
You are obviously well up on the niceties of the rules. Can you explain the point about crossing?
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 18:38
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
You are obviously well up on the niceties of the rules. Can you explain the point about crossing?
Pretty basic stuff really..here you go.....

https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws/scoring-runs

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Old 15th Jul 2019, 19:04
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Just a fantastic final, a credit to Cricket and both teams played their hearts out.
How Stokes stayed on his feet, clearly exhausted, but amazed at the (at leas) two amazing events, that stepped on boundary "catch" for a six and that astonishing glance off his bat for another 6.
Runs that had they not been awarded would have given NZ the win.
Then Archer bowling a wide to give NZ 7 balls to hit....

I doubt my nails will regrow until next year. Fantastic!
And Silverstone
And Federer/Djokovic
Perfect!
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 10:46
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Sportsmanship

A class act from Chris Woakes ( and previously from Freddie Flintoff )

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...00b7a1eca7f8b7

There's one team out there that you wouldn't see this from.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 11:05
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Thanks for that link TWT. At the bottom of the page was what I was looking for originally, the position of the 2 English batsmen at the time the throw was made. All other images I had seen focussed on the running and diving etc so Guptill's throw was not evident.
Looking at the photo of Flintoff, I was think of a caption for it:
Flintoff: "It's OK for you Brett. You only lost the Ashes. I have to continue being a ginger for the next umpteen years!"
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 11:48
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And Silverstone
And Federer/Djokovic
I'd forgotten they were on as well. How did they work out? Did anyone watch?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:52
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Don't know how we did it but that Russian umpire was a real find ....

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Old 16th Jul 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Thanks for that link TWT. At the bottom of the page was what I was looking for originally, the position of the 2 English batsmen at the time the throw"
I don't see that in the link above 🙁
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 22:04
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PN: As I said above; go to the link supplied. Now go to the bottom of that page and there is a link/photo to Guptill's throw.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 10:56
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Huge credit to the kiwis-may not have realised it at the time but these decisions happen in sport- dubious penalties in football-I dont mean deliberate bad decisions but just something that the ref gives on one day and may not on another. Of course had it been football it would have filled the papers for a week.

However no one who was their will ever forget their day out and it was great to see Lords packed on a sunny evening and I too am old enough to remember Tebbits words ( nice PPRuNe link there as he was BA flight deck-or more likely BOAC) about who immigrants supported at tst matches because there were an awful lot of non white brits with england flags and face paints very caught up the moment.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 23:06
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As an Aussie, I am mildly amused by the thought that neither of our traditional enemies "won" the final; with the cup having to be "awarded" by count back.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:45
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Assuming Aussie contributors, might as well include the rest of population as well, have now stopped convulsing with laughter, it is to be hoped Aussie altruism will come to the fore with the inclusion of Ireland in the list of England's resolute determination to offer opposition teams a batting total worthy of Little Snottingham ( 3rd XI Sunday League ) .........astute readers will note the prevalence of said former Colonial outpost in the list. . By the way, now is not a good time to start getting stroppy with Mother England !......we have a new PM and you will regret it when a RIB arrives in Sydney Harbour as a show of military might to remind those who have the temerity to insult her.

Of course, a saviour may yet emerge, albeit a score of 3 yesterday suggests he's keeping himself in reserve, as always, who will decimate the Irish batting.....with his fabled pin point line and length accuracy.........

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Old 25th Jul 2019, 07:17
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I watched it on TV last night and was astonished. If I had been an England player, I would have gone sick at lunch, thus avoiding the embarrassment of having to show my face for the 2nd innings!
Murtagh was incredible. Not just for his 5 wickets but for the fact that he allowed England only 13 runs!
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 07:21
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It has been reported in Australian meeja that one Joe Root expressed the view that England's Test performance against Ireland would reflect the intent that England would bring to the Ashes series.

i accept this was said prior to play commencing but.....we can only hope.

(particularly given the stellar performance of our batting hopefuls at Southampton.)
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 07:37
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It has been reported in Australian meeja that one Joe Root expressed the view that England's Test performance against Ireland would reflect the intent that England would bring to the Ashes series.

i accept this was said prior to play commencing but.....we can only hope.

(particularly given the stellar performance of our batting hopefuls at Southampton.)
You, and the Aussie meedja, have fallen for the cunning plan. England usually lull the opposition into a false sense of security by posting an abysmal first innings total before a valiant fight back in the second.......this does not alway go quite according to plan however......but, this time, England have decided to use another Test series to induce the same effect.

Baldric would be proud !
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 07:57
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You, and the Aussie meedja, have fallen for the cunning plan. England usually lull the opposition into a false sense of security by posting an abysmal first innings total before a valiant fight back in the second.......this does not alway go quite according to plan however......but, this time, England have decided to use another Test series to induce the same effect.

Baldric would be proud !
World Cup not withstanding, England's usual modus operandi is to lull the opposition into a real sense of security.
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