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Old 16th Jul 2014, 21:25
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Hempy,

Anyone smart enough to type upside-down has my attention.

Australia's geo-strategic conundrum is how to protect it's enormous resources from an increasingly hungry world with a small population and a vast area to police. New Zealand doesn't have much to covet outside the world's best Sauvignon Blanc.

Australia needs its own sovereign nuclear defense capability. New Zealand doesn't, yet. As recent developments attest, no one can rely on the US nuclear umbrella anymore. We've determined politically that we really don't have any red lines, despite what some may have thought in the past.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 21:35
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None but would have liked to, not because of being a war monger but because after you do all the training actually using it !!!

I was in during the "great peace" as we called it, after Vietnam and before Timor started.. GW1 was the only thing that occurred and Australia's involvement was very limited.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 23:36
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Originally Posted by BenThere View Post
Hempy,

Anyone smart enough to type upside-down has my attention.

Australia's geo-strategic conundrum is how to protect it's enormous resources from an increasingly hungry world with a small population and a vast area to police. New Zealand doesn't have much to covet outside the world's best Sauvignon Blanc.

Australia needs its own sovereign nuclear defense capability. New Zealand doesn't, yet. As recent developments attest, no one can rely on the US nuclear umbrella anymore. We've determined politically that we really don't have any red lines, despite what some may have thought in the past.
Which is sort of what I paraphrased into 'unlike you lot, we have something worth stealing'.

Theres one single reason Australia has followed the Yanks into every shit-fight they've dreamed up over the last 70 years...we need to.

We've got the 6th largest land mass of any country with a population of ~24 million...If 400,000 Indo's decide to march south one day the ADF will last about as long as it takes for the USS Carl Vinson to turn up off the Bight.

We don't need a nuclear capability, and we don't live under the Americans 'nuclear blanket' anymore either. We do need conventional help, so we keep diplomatic, economic and military ties close as an insurance policy (as well as good sense).

Of course the Yanks only ever do anything that is in their own national best interest...there is no such thing as diplomatic altruism. We keep ourselves part of that best interest...like it or not. Without it we are a 90 pound weakling just waiting for the sand to start hitting our face.

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Old 17th Jul 2014, 00:04
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Of course the Yanks only ever do anything that is in their own national best interest...
Which it wont be if China or Russia are anywhere in the mix.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 00:28
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IMHO, the US has always and I think will in the future protect Australia for a couple of reasons.

1. We were and are even more so now strategically important to them.
2. We have a huge Spy base that is important to the US on a world wide scale.
3. We could at very short notice provide safe ports for both ships and subs as the facilities already exist.
And of course we have the US's very important submarine communication station up north west,
something they need.
4. We are a good fall back position from Japan.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 00:34
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It will be interesting to see how well America protects Australia's interests when/if moves are made to exploit mineral (including oil) resources in the Australian Antarctic Territory.

Those 'very important' Yank bases in Australia put Australia on someone's target lists.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 02:14
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Originally Posted by John Hill View Post
It will be interesting to see how well America protects Australia's interests when/if moves are made to exploit mineral (including oil) resources in the Australian Antarctic Territory.

Those 'very important' Yank bases in Australia put Australia on someone's target lists.
Pragmatically speaking, what would you consider to be a reasonable alternative?

I remember watching a show on TV as a school-kid showing all the cities targeted by the USSR and the fallout radius...If they hit Melbourne you were safe in Albury. Only the names have changed.

Oh, and if you think those very important bases are the only reason someone would want to have a crack at us, you are kidding yourself.

The argument that Aus-US relations are soured by our dealings with the Chinese is sort of at odds with the fact that the US is increasing military activity in the country, no? Regardless of the Seppo's motives for being here, effectively it still sends a big Aussie "FCUK OFF" to anyone with half an eye on the Pilbara.

We'll take the symbiotic advantages.

p.s moves into the Antarctic would be decided on a world scale, I doubt any little protest or other that we might make would make too much splash.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 02:18
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is sort of at odds with the fact that the US is increasing military activity in the country, no?
And 500 Marines on rotation is only the start of it.

Wait till we have 2500 stationed here yearly plus the already stated
objective of having a range of aircraft based at RAAF Tindal.

That should raise a few more eyebrows when it happens !
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 03:12
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I couldn't find the famous "Lettuce in Cuba" thread so I post here. It is similar news like the "lettuce" news. Private enterprise "allowed" to work along side state owned businesses.


HAVANA (AP) -- Cuba's state-run tourism industry increasingly is doing business with the country's new class of private entrepreneurs, trying to improve quality of food and lodging while maintaining a grip on the sector's biggest sources of foreign exchange.
News from The Associated Press


Not all is rosy, however, in people's paradise.

Canadian Businessman Gets 15-Year Prison Sentence in Cuba


A Canadian businessman, who was one of Castro's biggest foreign partners, was handed a 15-year prison sentence on Friday.

Cy Tokmakjian, 74, was arrested in September 2011 and held for nearly three years without charges.

His Ontario-based transportation company, the Tokmakjian Group, had done business with the Castro regime for over 20 years.

During the summer, he faced a summary proceeding -- the outcome of which was clearly predetermined.

His lawyers denounced, "the lack of due process, transparency and independence in the Cuban system."

(Perhaps they should have thought of this when they were profiting from Cuba's repressive dictatorship.)

The Castro regime also confiscated over $100 million of Tokmakjian's company assets.
 
Old 29th Sep 2014, 13:01
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It just occurred to me that photographers may be accused of being spies. That would be unfortunate.
 
Old 29th Sep 2014, 14:13
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Just suppose that the US lifted all trade embargoes with Cuba. What exports does Cuba have (besides, rum, tobacco and sugar) that would pay for imports from the US?

Just how long can a country keep running deeper into debt?
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 14:20
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That couldn't be a "wind-up" directed at El G, could it Dushan?

No, I thought not. Surely someone whose other username has to be "Alan Alda", playing that ultimate "nice guy" Hawkeye Pierce in M*A*S*H for so many years, couldn't be that mean?

Go on, admit it, what was it like kissing Hot Lips so hard in that last episode? We all saw you putting out so enthusiastically, why deny it was you?
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:16
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Originally Posted by radeng View Post
Just suppose that the US lifted all trade embargoes with Cuba. What exports does Cuba have (besides, rum, tobacco and sugar) that would pay for imports from the US?
If that included travel restrictions, then tourism. Immediately there would be investment from various quarters that knew US tourists would go there, and spend money.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:39
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Just suppose that the US lifted all trade embargoes with Cuba. What exports does Cuba have (besides, rum, tobacco and sugar) that would pay for imports from the US?
Actually from that list; rum, tobacco and sugar. Most likely it would only be rum, as the vast majority of sugar consumed in the US does not come from sugar cane and with the ramping up of the anti-tobacco campaigns here in the US, all that would be left to export to the US, would be rum.

Except.


All the vintage US made vehicles manufactured in the 40s-50s-60s that are still in great condition in Cuba. US car buffs would flood Cuba bidding for those vehicles. They really wouldn't care about the engines or the transmissions, they would be after the bodies of the vehicles.

Well that and tourism, as I know for a fact that major US owed hotel/resort chains already have plans in place to build hotels and holiday resorts in certain areas of Cuba. The closeness of Cuba to the US will be what will make Cuba so popular to American tourist, cheaper flights to get to Cuba as compared to the rest of the Caribbean. It is a short flight from Miami to Havana, I know, I made that flight enough times. Same for Houston, New Orleans, DFW, Atlanta, etc.

But the Cuban government has got to stop doing this sort of crap, taken from Dushan's post.

Capitol Hill Cubans: Canadian Businessman Gets 15-Year Prison Sentence in Cuba

In recent years, dozens of foreign businessmen (from Canada, Sweden, U.K., Mexico, Panama and others) have been imprisoned in Cuba and -- predictably -- had all of their assets confiscated.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 18:59
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That couldn't be a "wind-up" directed at El G, could it Dushan?

No, I thought not. Surely someone whose other username has to be "Alan Alda", playing that ultimate "nice guy" Hawkeye Pierce in M*A*S*H for so many years, couldn't be that mean?

Go on, admit it, what was it like kissing Hot Lips so hard in that last episode? We all saw you putting out so enthusiastically, why deny it was you?
No, not me. I was labelled gay, in another thread, so it couldn't have been me and hot-lips.
 
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There are a limited number of old US cars to sell back. Once the economy started getting on its feet, the tourism side would get more expensive. Then what?
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Once the economy started getting on its feet, the tourism side would get more expensive. Then what?
As long as the resorts say competitive to the other islands, the lower airfares will still make Cuba attractive.

As for what else, if people can trust the Cuban government, there will be vacation/holiday homes built in the coastal areas, which create a boom in Cuban building industry when it is couple with the building of new resorts. Which in turn will pump more money into the Cuban economy overall.

But none of the above will happen if the currently justifiable fear of the Cuban government coming in a seizing peopleís property, such as vacation/holiday home and the foreign owned resorts is not changed or alleviated.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 22:25
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Con,

I question if a really sustainable economy can really be built on something as susceptible to outside influences as tourism?

Short term - maybe. Long term?


As a sandal wearing long term not tree hugging but fluffy liberal, I doubt it very much ( although I admit my idea of 'liberal' is a bit right wing of most liberals, and even a bit right wing of many conservatives!)
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 17:03
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Doesn't look like things are improving, despite some here thinking otherwise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us...odus.html?_r=0

MIAMI ó In an unexpected echo of the refugee crisis from two decades ago, a rising tide of Cubans in rickety, cobbled-together boats is fleeing the island and showing up in the waters off Florida.

Leonardo Heredia, a 24-year-old Cuban baker, for example, tried and failed to reach the shores of Florida eight times.
And before anyone suggest this is some right wing propaganda, look at the source NYT!!
 
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Mr. Heredia is one of about 25,000 Cubans who arrived by land and sea in the United States without travel visas in the fiscal year that ended on Sept. 30, according to government figures. He, like many others, is also an unexpected throwback to a time that experts thought had long passed: the era when Cubans boarded homemade vessels built from old car parts and inner tubes, hoping for calm seas and favorable winds. As the number of Cubans attempting the voyage nearly doubled in the past two years, the number of vessels unfit for the dangerous 90-mile crossing also climbed.

So much for the "Worker's Paradise".

One of our Ppruners spent a few years trying to save the lives of the people that tried to escape from Cuba on anything that could float.

And I spent years taking some back to Cuba. The criminals that Castro sent to the US when he emptied the jails during the Mariel Boatlift.

It appears that the Castro brothers are moving backward, this coupled with arresting European and other foreign investors and imprisoning them, then confiscating their investments does not appear to me that there is much desire to improve the poor condition that the mass majority of Cubans are living in.

Iím just sick thinking about all the Cubans that have died trying to escape the Castro dictatorship and that they are still dying to this day,
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