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Old 1st Apr 2014, 16:15
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Faux Noise is indeed quite entertaining for a while, as theater of the absurd, but airhead host talking to airhead guests, asking questions compiled by an airhead isn't likely to get any information passed across.
Wow, you don't like Fox News, now there's a shocking revelation for you.

Bet you just love NBC News and the BBC due to their non-biased reporting.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 23:31
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If you don't watch Fox News in the US, you're not getting a balanced perspective.

You watch Fox for the view from the right, and everything else for the view from the left. Then you assess, think, compare, think some more, then go out and get more sources.

For some, MSNBC and Huffington Post is all they need. Talking Points. Remind you of anyone here?
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 01:35
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We get PBS Newshour here in Oz. What is the American view as to its quality, station viewpoint, left/right bias?
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 01:42
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PBS and NPR (National Public Radio), if they have a bias, share a bias.

This is unfortunate, because both take significant subsidies of taxpayer money.

What is interesting is that liberals (as a polling group) see PBS and NPR as middle-of-the road and objective.

PBS and NPRs own journalists (who are self-described as overwhelmingly liberal) see themselves as completely unbiased and straight ahead reporters of fact.

I leave it to you to guess what conservative polling groups believe.

PBS and NPR are sensitive to a fault about criticism of their objectivity, for whatever that may be worth.

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/no-li...-just-ask-npr/
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:11
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PBS News Hour is well to the Left.....way, way, way, Left actually.

BBC compared to PBS has a certain amount of objectivity if that tells you anything.

I try to listen to NPR but even when they seem to be doing a creditable job of reporting they at the end always manage to throw in the "but", "however", or one last barb that ruins a good piece.

That they suck on the Federal Government Tit really chaps my cheeks!

In the old days they would have been known as Radio Free "Somewhere"!
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:32
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It's the same here in Oz. Very few journalists see themselves as biased, but damn near every one of them feels that he/she has a far deeper, wiser (and therefore infinitely better informed) grasp of every issue than the Great Unwashed (us). The fact that virtually every journalism course at damn near every university in Australia is TOTALLY dominated and run by (usually failed ex-) journalists whose politics are aligned to the extreme Left is lost on most of them.

They wouldn't have passed first year at uni. if they'd handed in an assignment that even hinted at a conservative point of view. Most students who might have still have right wing leanings after the 12 years of left wing indoctrination that poses as an education in Australia learn this very quickly and hand in assignments that agree with the lecturer's political bias. After three years at university, some of them can't avoid unconsciously adopting and coming to believe the Group Think. They mix with people of a like mind (fellow journalists) who tell them that they know far more than the ignorant masses and that therefore, their opinion on all matters is by default always correct (and of course, also always unbiased).

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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:40
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It seems Public Broadcaster = bias in the US, UK and Aus.

But of course the Left will say they are not biased
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:50
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If it's any consolation, the left media, New York Times, CNN, MSNBC have been hemorrhaging customers for years as they have trended to the left. It's gratifying that the future of all of them is now in doubt.

I don't want a right or left wing news source. I want the truth; honest reporting.

Fox News reporting is the most unbiased (not including O'Reilly and Hannity) reporting. NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and CNN have become no more than Obama cheerleaders.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:55
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"I don't want a right or left wing news source. I want the truth; honest reporting."

From a public broadcaster paid for with public money, Yes.

Private media, well, it is a bit too much to ask but that doesn't worry me,
as long as you know the bias you can compensate.


"when they seem to be doing a creditable job of reporting they at the end always manage to throw in the "but", "however", or one last barb that ruins a good piece."

Bob hit the nail on the head with the above statement. And it is soooooo obvious when they do it.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 03:37
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I get all my news from the back of the toilet doors .
It is more accurate and if you can forgive the spelling and grammar it can be as entertaining as those in the 24/7 argument newscast entertainment crap.


Pay attention or you will miss the magic.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 03:57
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I always take the words 'but' and 'however' to mean "What we told you prior to this was mostly bs, now we're gonna tell ya what we really think."
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 04:43
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Have to agree about Fox news.
All good except Bill Oriely and Hannity.
2 biggest liars and makes up things as they go,
No facts, just total B/S opinions, always wrong.
Never even say they are wrong when proven later.
Get rid of these 2 and Fox could be much better.
Hannity is a sports reporter, airline and USA government issues way above his education and ability to report.
Orielly is a bullshit artist that thinks he is someone special, should go back to teaching school , not in my district.
Hope they read this.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 08:55
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I watched quite a bit of US Fox News attempting to follow the Malaysian 777 disappearance. (I'm told - and don't find it hard to believe - that I did well to avoid CNN.)

What was really noticeable was how so many of their presenters had experts come in to the studio, most (but certainly not all) of whom knew their stuff to some degree. However, when the expert said anything that didn't fit the presenter's instant encyclopedic knowledge of all things Aviation, the presenter just talked over him (and the odd her) and discounted whatever the expert was trying to impart.

I think two or three of Fox's big names would be quite embarrassed if they took the time to review the way they handled this issue. Judge Janine was particularly painful in the way she was throwing acronyms around like she was on the set with John Wayne in 'The High and the Mighty'. Greta Van Sustren (sp?) wasn't a whole lot better.

Some of their experts were a tad on the cringeworthy side - the not too old Brit who was on quite a lot was dropping far too many operational details (like distress codes) than was necessary.

But that's just my opinion.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 09:06
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A study, done a year or two ago, showed that watching Fox News made you less informed about both national and international issues, than watching no news at all. That's actually quite an achievement.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 09:31
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Kbps

Now that is funny.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 10:06
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KBPsen, the most interesting aspect of the study you cite would be who commissioned - and conducted - it. Some might say the final report could be quite accurately re-worded to read: "A study, done a year or two ago, showed that watching Fox News made you less inclined to believe the current Left Wing Group Think about both national and international issues, than watching no news at all."

Hannity is totally over the top, to the point where I wonder how anyone could possibly take him seriously. As for O'Reilly... has anyone here ever read one of the books he has (co)-written? I'd be interested to read one, but not so interested that I'd part with my hard earned to do so. If what he says on his show is to be believed, he sells quite a few copies.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 10:12
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Bet you just love NBC News and the BBC due to their non-biased reporting.
NBC "reporters" know nothing either. NPR is obsessed with "even handedness", giving anti-vaccine imbeciles or religious clowns equal time in discussion to those with some clue. The BBC retains some educated and knowledgable correspondents, but it's a loss-leader. Al Jazeera has a real journalist network.
It's embarrassing that a feudal state can generate better coverage of world issues than the world's richest democracies.

All told - there's just no longer much of a market for information.

Advertizers want Fox-style echo chamber vapidity, because the kind of morons who swallow it whole, are just the kind of morons who buy their junk they're hawking.

And KBPsen's right - if you just hide under a rock, you know more than those who watch Faux.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 10:33
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7x7, the most interesting aspects of any study are content, method and conclusion, not who conducted it. Unless you don't like the conclusion of course.

You also appear, like so many others, to confuse opinion with news.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 11:59
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AWBlain seems to have Echo and Echo chamber on his brain ATM !
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 12:14
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Yeah, 500N, it's because I keep hearing this ignorant squeaky noise from Australia, that just parrots whatever witless rightwing guff is spinning the hamster wheel at the time.

Maybe it's not an echo chamber - it might be a grand rightwing conspiracy to excite the world's first ignorance [email protected]?
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