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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 18:58
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What is a gun nut?

Someone who disagrees with your point of view? Someone who owns a .22 for shooting varmints in the outback? Own a bazooka for home defense?

Easy to throw the term out, convenient label to vilify, not easy to define when challenged however.

Move beyond the bombastic temp spike.

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 18:59
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Perfectly understood. But if you know how insurance companies work
I do know how insurance companies work, some good, some not so good and some that are plain just terrible.

However, my mother's home was completely destroyed by the strongest tornado ever recored in April 1999. That night after a we finally found my mother, we took her to our home, getting there after 02:00. She called her insurance company, thinking to just leave a message, but an actual human answered the phone. Their first question was, any one hurt, no, next question was, do you have a safe, secure place to stay and so on.

An adjuster came to our house the next day and gave my mother a check for ten thousand dollars. In less than 30 days they cut her a check for the total loss. That company is USAA.

Talking to her neighbors, everybody was happy with the response of all the major national insurance companies, save one. State Farm. They were the slowest to respond and/or pay. In fact the State Insurance Commissioner had to take action in some of the cases.

So you are quite correct, your insurance is as only good as the insurance company. We've had a few claims through the last 20 years we have lived here and on every one them we have had excellent response and quick payment. The last one, the adjuster cut us a check in the spot.

Oh, our claims were for roof damage from hail and when the patio cover collapsed due to an extreme ice storm coupled with heavy snow.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:08
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Private gun owners have been relabeled, "Gun-nut". In light of continuing and unstoppable mass murder. Itís a new world now.

Like neo-cons refrain from labels. Or is it that neo-cons are the only righteous labelers allowed to post?

ask nicely first.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:10
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I like the media public notification of gun owner names and addresses. Information is public nationwide.
I bet the criminal element is happier than you are, now they know which houses to raid, where they will not be shot back at by the inhabitants.

I fully support the Putnam County Cerk's decision to not release the names/addresses of registered gun owners. He has stated, if you (the POS newspaper) wants that information, take me to court.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:18
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It is of my opinion that anyone with someone having mental illness living in the same house as a prospective gun owner should be immediately disqualified from owning any weapon.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:27
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Relabeled by who?

As far as asking nicely, you will find I will disagree with you without being disagreeable. Please don't hide behind a false wall, answer the question. I have noticed, when I've asked you questions or asked you to define a point that you've not answered. Why would that be.

Again, what is a gun nut?
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:29
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Thinking about it, I have a question for those who seem to think it's perfectly fine for a civilian to own an assault weapon.

During my 9 year stint in Uncle Sam's Army I had the use of various weapons. One of which was the M16A1 assault rifle.

First laid hands on it in basic training. Had to qualify with it
and if you didn't qualify, during basic training that is, you were "recycled" to start over again. Continue to fail and out you go.

Then on to permanent duty station.

In all the places I was stationed - and there were many - not one single soldier was allowed to keep his/her M16 at home.
Why not? We were all qualified to use it. Some better than others. Even when I was serving within spitting distance of the Soviet behemoth in Europe we still couldn't keep the M16 at home. Unauthorized. But why not? I shot "Expert" with it many times. Did Uncle Sugar not trust me?

No, the reason being: qualified or not, there is no room for a soldier to keep his/her weapon at home. That's just not the way things are done.

So, on one hand you have a professional soldier, qualified* and extremely familiar with his assault weapons, but not able to stash the same at home. (*Yearly qualifications that is. Not a once and your done deal.)

Yet, on the other hand we have those who believe it is our "right" to keep such weapons in our homes. Owned by people who - for the vast majority - do not qualify with them and do not know their weapons intimately.

Professional and qualified soldiers = no keeping assault weapons at home.

Unprofessional and unqualified civilians = sure you can.

To me, there is a huge, huge disconnect here. big time.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:33
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West Coast - one heck-of-a-lot of words to ask a simple question twice that has already been answered in the first instance.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:34
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West Coast:

Can I answer for Temp Spike please? I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
Please? Please? Please, with pudding on top?

Gun Nut - One who finds overt pleasure with certain animate objects which are used to substitute for the inadequacy of a certain bodily appendage.

How's that?
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:35
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As a Marine we had similar training and restrictions. That said if I lived in base housing and I purchased my own assault weapon I could keep in in my quarters without question. I think you are looking at one specific situation without looking at the larger situation that existed even on the same base.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:37
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Rg, it's a start, thanks.

Temp, appease me, what is a gun nut?
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:37
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Well West Coast, that may be for Jar Heads but we Army type weren't allowed to keep assault weapons anywhere on government-owned property: base housing or not.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:46
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I remember in the marines that the military had a hard time with weapons disappearing. I was a range coach for a year and I remember returning from the range late with two amo cans full and my personal weapon. Choice: Miss chow, or, stuff in locker behind uniforms till morning. I stuffed. Made sure nobody knew it was there.

After chow, I stuck by my locker like glue till the armory opened. Got a couple cute retorts from the armory staff sergeant, but in reality he couldnít say squat because he didnít report it not being turned in. He didnít even make a count. Just wanted to get home to momma. He told me I could have turned it all into the guard shack. I never would have done that because the guard shack gunnery sergeant was a very corrupt S4 sergeant know as Gunny SearsÖ.Probably sold it all and sent me up-river.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:51
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Temp, in the decades since you were a Marine, I'll suggest to you that certain things have tightened up a bit. The accountability bit has been given additional rigor. My experience, so that's anecdotal, and others may wish to opine differently or in support of that.

As to the nebulous term "gun-nut," it is a general and meaningless term used by people who wish to cast an insult, just as the term "spic" was once used to insult a particular group of people for far too long in this country.

rg: As I noted in another thread, were Mrs Lanza alive today, I am pretty sure that charges of negligence, criminal and civil, would already have been filed. No further comment, given that our view on her stewardship seems to coincide.

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:52
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Big disconnect, in one you are subject to military command, in the other you are not. Frankly, I don't see why military members are so restricted.

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Your desire to ban guns is merely an extension if the typical liberal desire to be control freaks, not content with small groups of humans, you want to control everybody, for their own good, of course. After all, most plebs are unable to decide life's matters for themselves, so well-intentioned government people should decide for them and reward "good" decisions with tax breaks, as we saw in the recent tax bill.

The collectivist mentality is most apparent in the gun control argument. NOWHERE else do we allow the government to declare people with guns as being dangerous WITHOUT any evidence of then being so, without presenting any objective threat to society. Preventative law is not our tradition.

Eighty million plus Americans own firearms, a tiny minority, less than 0.5% present ANY threat to society-just lock up all 80 million, you say.

In Chicago, 506 murders, 90% committed by blacks. Would you propose locking up all young blacks as a danger to society?

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 20:05
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Nothing of the type happened on a large scale in my time.

Again, what is your definition of a gun nut?

To put it in aviationese, just as FAR part 1 is definitions, allowing a reader to understand what follows, define gun nut so I can understand your POV.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 20:11
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Gun-nut = private gun owner
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 20:13
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Gun-nut = private gun owner
Right then, we can now throw logic to the wind.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 20:16
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I like the media public notification of gun owner names and addresses. Information is public nationwide.

In reallity, it puts gun-nuts on notice that when we confiscate your guns, we know where to go, and, if you do not produce, whom to jail.

So, for the people who have restraining orders against those who threaten bodily harm or stalkers who have yet to cross any legal line, these folks who are fearful of their safety, they are not allowed to defend themselves in their own homes? But a newspaper can demand and release their names and addresses?

Are you aware of how many women are tracked down by estranged husbands and beaten or killed because they dared seek to end the violence in their marriage, by leaving it? They too, should not be allowed a firearm to protect themselves?

If the the tables were turned TS, I seriously believe you would applaud Putnam County for protecting your safety. If the above scenarios involved anyone in your personal life, I suspect you would not be so cavalier with your ongoing agenda here.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 20:16
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Interesting article on armed guards in schools. Turns out the NRA suggestion was a cover and not the original recording.

Don't blame the NRA for wanting armed guards in schools, it was Clinton's idea.
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