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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:43
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Honest question to you Republicans:
Would you rather have had a (younger) McCain clone?
And if so, the 2000 version of the 2008 version?
No! A younger (without the skeletons in the closet) Gingrich.
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:49
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Dushan, please don't make me doubt your reading and comprehension abilities, ok?

Nowhere in my post do I advocate raising taxes. I do say that if the Republicans start presenting undoctored numbers about tax revenue, spending and the impact on the deficit, they will benefit in the long run.

Not in the short term, mind you, as the other side will continue saying that increasing taxes on the richest 2% will help reduce the deficit in any significant way, which is just as big a porky as what the right is trying to dish up now...

But eventually, as the chicken come home to roost and the US government has to default on part of its debt, and reduce or cancel certain services, those who faced the truth and dished up correct numbers will benefit.

And additional remark for those comparing the deficit and debt woes of Europe and the US: please remember that all we have been talking about up to now is the public debt, which is only part of the story. Don't forget that on average, the European has money in the bank while the US inhabitant has a net private debt overall. This is significant inasmuch as when the currency goes bust, there is actually a private wealth in saving to be destroyed in Europe...
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:50
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I know what let's do! Let's keep doing the things we have done for four years!

Only let's have John Kerry as SecState!

There's the ticket. Same, only More!

Having the ponderous and inexorable support of the suckwad Press, and facing a perennial candidate who introduced himself three months before the election, Obama pulls it out in triple overtime.

How embarrassing.....

America will someday learn to tie her shoes, be patient.....

AirBones: " This is significant inasmuch as when the currency goes bust, there is actually a private wealth in saving to be destroyed in Europe..."

Yeah, but that's because TARP covered your no good markers with wealth that was stolen from American Bank ledgers.

It is all ledger wealth, Doc; part of it bought a da kine hale for the Obamas in Hawaii...... Waxing righteous in the International incinerator of wealth is embarrassing....

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:51
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Explain, not sure I understand what this means.
As the percentage difference in the popular vote stands right now, (rounded up), our bet means I would have to send $20 to the Wounded Warrior Project. I'll sit for a day and see if the final count would increase that. Regardless of whether the final count goes up, (I don't think it will exceed 5% but if it does I'm happy to in full rounded up), or drops below 1% I'll still be sending $50 to the WWP.

The "they'll need it" comment refers to the fact that, as has been demonstrated in the last four years, no-one in the USA will be better off in the next four.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:51
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bubble burst

Beenthere:
Greece, Spain, Italy and France are a few years ahead of us going down this road so we can watch and see how it ultimately works out. We can also vote again every two years to make changes. That's the bright side.
France debt: 88%, USA: 105%
And everybody knows (but you?) the issue, the biggest challenge today is debt and deficit, both being lower in France than in the US. You could say the USA is few years ahead of France, but the french deficit keep decreasing after huge ongoing austerity efforts like evrywhere in EU, I am not sure France will catch you up debt wise, you are well ahead.

I am sorry to hear it was your bright side, will have to start to find an other one, like having a great president for example.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:53
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Understand now, Airborne. Thanks for the clarification. You know how it is with us ex-infantry type: a bit thick at times!!!!
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 14:56
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The US markets are all down right now: across the board.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:05
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Never mind Mitt, you still have your horses, mansions and yachts. (Can horses be registered in tax havens?)

Maybe your buddy Trump will offer $5M to your favorite charity (i.e. yourself) if you reveal your tax returns which might just expose a bit of felony voter fraud in Mass.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCRwi71_ns

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:07
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Is the Republican party just a party for the angry white guy? If it is then it is not likely to see power for some time.

"Non-white voters - a growing share of the total electorate - overwhelmingly supported the president. Last night's exit polls suggested that they made up 21 per cent of all voters, compared with only 10 per cent as recently as 1996.

Mr Obama enjoyed a particularly strong lead among Hispanics - the biggest non-white minority in America - taking about 71 per cent of their vote according to the CNN exit poll, compared with only 27 per cent who supported Mr Romney.

If that number is accurate, it suggests the Republican candidate performed worse in this key constituency than either of his two immediate predecessors. John McCain won 31 per cent of the Hispanic vote in 2008 while President George W Bush managed 44 per cent in 2004.

Not only is the number of non-white voters rising, but they also tend to live in the swing states that decide presidential elections, notably Florida.

Meanwhile, white suburbanites who comprise the Republican core vote are steadily declining as a share of the total population. The change is taking place faster than might be thought. In a single presidential election cycle of four years, the US white population falls by about two per cent, while non-white voters increase in number by about the same proportion. "

US election 2012: the US political playing field tilts against Republicans - Telegraph
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:11
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I see Florida hasn't yet been decided as all the votes haven't been tallied yet.

WTF is wrong with that state? It's not rocket science. Why does it always take Florida so f***ing long to tally votes?
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:20
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Old people and Hispanics.

Joking, joking, settle down. I am not in a good mood today...
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:21
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Here is shock

Obama May Levy Carbon Tax to Cut the U.S. Deficit, HSBC Says - Bloomberg

Who would have seen this coming...
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:24
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Dushan,


Ah yes, old people in Florida. I almost forgot. One of the reason's why Florida is also known as "God's waiting room"!!!!
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:24
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Nice start

The next four years are really looking good:


Symbol Price Change
DJIA 12,934.13 -311.55
NASDAQ 2,940.92 -71.01
^GSPTSE 12,225.08 -136.12
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:36
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DJIA 12,934.13 -311.55
NASDAQ 2,940.92 -71.01
That's good for the USA!!! Pelosi said so... The more people on unemployment the better...

Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

Talking to reporters, the House speaker was defending a jobless benefits extension against those who say it gives recipients little incentive to work. By her reasoning, those checks are helping give somebody a job.

"It injects demand into the economy," Pelosi said, arguing that when families have money to spend it keeps the economy churning. "It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."

Pelosi said the aid has the "double benefit" of helping those who lost their jobs and acting as a "job creator" on the side.
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Yes, she really is that stupid.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:46
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Pelosi obviously lives in an alternate reality.

One where oxygen doesn't exist.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:48
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Pelosi obviously lives in an alternate reality.

One where oxygen doesn't exist.
OK, I thought that the picture of her where she looks like an alien was photoshopped. I guess not.
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:52
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AA, you have something against quoting my Toronto Exchange -130 point quote. You think just because a river separates us (with 2 bridges pretty soon) we are different. We are affected just as well.

Kidding, kidding, get off my back. I am an angry old white male. What do you want from me.
 
Old 7th Nov 2012, 15:57
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Dushan:

I was unsure if unemployment was good for the Canadian economy so I erred on the side of safety...
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 16:15
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I noticed an interesting disconnect in the voting patterns this morning.

The presidential vote in the states was distributed more or less the same as in prior elections. Except Colorado and a couple of midwesterns went Obama. That's what tipped things. But basically it is still the coasts versus the heartlands.

In my state, heavily Democrat results. However, the county distribution is remarkable. Urban Seattle, maybe 5% of the area, Dem. The entire remaining state Repub.
When you look at the votes, Seattle went Dem approaching 75%. No tolerance for opposition there. But out here in the countryside, we went Repub typically 54-46. We're much more diverse, tolerant, and able to make up our own minds about things.

Net result: now we can smoke dope, pay higher taxes, and marry my brother, while watching an unqualified governor and U-No-Hu run the economy into the ground.

Maybe KAG is right, moving to China.
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