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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 02:50
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yo O man...

Obama has his eyes on being President of the EU should he fail reassignment over here. He is looking for a manservant....
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 02:54
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Touche for the GOP on here. You take issue with me but not the those who oppose me and the verbage written. Don't debate me.
Indeed. It would seem that you understood very little. What you also didn't understand is that no one, save you, is jumping up and down insisting to be debated, so it would be kind of silly for me to take issue with anyone else preemptively on a subject that only you have broached.

Watched a few clips of Clinton this evening apropos of nothing. There is a fellow who (outside of his personal life) has a handle on nuance, at least now, in his role as an elder statesman. Obama is a shouting ham-fisted plumber by comparison.

11 Fan, I'm disappointed. A citizen grand jury (as per the article) isn't even remotely the same thing as a grand jury (as per the headline). It is just this sort of misleading silliness that irritates me no end. For our foreign friends, most of you haven't had grand juries for decades, probably a good move in most cases.

One has the authority to bring an indictment, and t'other one does not. I give you three guesses as to which is a legitimate legal body and which has a history of being a body which, well, ain't, and one would find one's self in some pretty select company being a member of the extra legal one.
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 02:55
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Lyman, I think Tony Blair hat that spot secured. If there is anyone our friends across the pond hate more than GWB it is ol' Tony.
 
Old 2nd Nov 2012, 03:12
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Um,

You're disappointed? Welcome to the club. We're having jackets made. I'm just happy it's getting some legs again as the formal investigation seems to have been sidelined.

"I am disappointed by the statements made by Mr. Romney today regarding a question I was asked yesterday at the World Affairs Council," Feinstein said. "I was asked whether the White House might be responsible for recent national security leaks. I stated that I did not believe the president leaked classified information. I shouldn't have speculated beyond that because the fact of the matter is I don't know the source of the leaks."
Dianne Feinstein Regrets White House Leaks Speculation

Seems my resident (California) State Senator has decided to back off. The vary same one who refuses to debate her opponent in the upcoming election. Frankly, I don't necessarily believe that it was the President who leaked it, but someone snitched and there are some questionable reasons why. One being that it made the President look "presidential.'

Of late, I'm suspicious and question the motives of the current administration. Seems a lot of stories are falling off radar. Notice how Bengazi is not on any mainstream media? And now with stories coming out about the Ambassador Stevens mission, I'm really beginning to wonder just what the hell is going on with our government.

Ambassador Stevens may have indeed been the pointman in yet another U.S.-led gun running scheme.
Was Ambassador Stevens running guns to the jihadist rebels who murdered him? - Jihad Watch

But there's growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria - Business Insider

Time to stock up on tinfoil.
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 03:48
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Wonder how many recounts we will have going on next week this time?
As no matter who is elected problems will be sure to happen.
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 04:53
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Hail Caesar !!!!

In an exclusive interview with TheBlaze, WOFL Fox 35 reporter Mike Synan said he is “100 percent positive” that the crowds were chanting “Hail Obama!” at the event. Further, he said there were at least three or four other local TV stations at the event that heard it as well.
Mike Synan Defends Claims That He Heard Crowd at First Lady Rally Chanting ‘Hail Obama!’ | TheBlaze.com
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 04:59
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As no matter who is elected problems will be sure to happen
They are already happening, in Ohio early voters are complaining that the voting machines are pre-programed to show Obama as selected by any voter. Only after the third attempt to vote for Romney will a vote be cast for Romney.

Ohio voting officials "are looking into the problem".

Now, where are those UN observers?


Oh, the same problems are happening in some areas of North Carolina.

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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 05:03
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 05:04
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Oh, the same problems are happening in some areas of North Carolina.
I'm going to record mine.
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 05:45
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Learn some french

A very nive talk show about the campaign, worth the watch:

Le Grand Journal - LE GRAND JOURNAL du 01/11/12 - Part.2 : analyse de la campagne américaine - CANALPLUS.FR

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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 08:36
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Getting nervous here

Some of us living a few hours ahead do not like where we see this election going. We have no say in the outcome, but considerable interest.

I for one am watching the scenario unfold where we get the suit elected to be the supposed "leader of the free world" bowing and scraping for another four years, further dismantling what was regarded as a special relationship even by former Democratic presidents and reading out fine words written by others. Another 4 years of stagnation or, worse, deterioration? I sincerely hope not. I can't say I've particularly taken to Romney, but he strikes me as the only show in town now. Luck and good fortune to the cousins.
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 09:07
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Yup. You inherit a legacy IMHO. The Tories in my country have inherited a terrible mess How long it takes to repair is a subjective judgement. Some of the RWS I remember saying immediately post the last election he owns it now, he's responsible for it.
LAJ,

I have to agree with you on that. Yes the current administration did inherit a terrible, god awful mess from 13 years of worse than mal-administration (NB the coalition inherited it).

Yes previous governments do cause problems that can last decades, we here in the will see damage for another 25 years plus on the NHS due to Gordon 'prudent' Brown profligacy with PFI and putting huge costs off balance sheet. the immigration problem will last decades, if not it has screwed the pooch permenantly..

conversely, yes obama did inherit some problems from bush, but also bush inherited some problems from clinton (the us posters have made these points before)

what i glean from the posters is that obama hasn't lived up to not only electorate expectation, but also his own presentations and obama is setting up the USA for a host of problems that will take the USA decades to recover from, if ever.

Obama has been a similar politician to TB, more infatuated with his own brilliance, spin and smoke and mirrors. in other words a politician of gloss over substance. media control and presentation akin to propaganda.

by virtue, americans are a people of progress and action based on their constitutional rights. can you fault them for that ? in respect of a fairly young country that virtue has developed the US to achieve what it has and its potential is being lost over time due to politicians more in accord with their own presentation than action and progress.

many americans want to see the economy develop by virtue of work and reward, not by dint of government hand out. heck, LAJ you have seen the damage that attitude has wrought on the UK and the EU.

many can see obama's failings and the potential damage to be wrought on the US if the wrong decisions are made. the UK is a fine example.

i'm sure that romney will be pilloried and chased out of town with an electoral noose if he screws the country up.

obama hasn't lived up to his promise or his promises and here comes a fork in the tracks...
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 09:21
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Some of us living a few hours ahead do not like where we see this election going. We have no say in the outcome, but considerable interest.

I for one am watching the scenario unfold where we get the suit elected to be the supposed "leader of the free world" bowing and scraping for another four years, further dismantling what was regarded as a special relationship even by former Democratic presidents and reading out fine words written by others. Another 4 years of stagnation or, worse, deterioration? I sincerely hope not. I can't say I've particularly taken to Romney, but he strikes me as the only show in town now. Luck and good fortune to the cousins.
Magnus, yet again in a few short lines, you nail it. !
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 13:17
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I have a huge amount of respect for the Economist and agree with this opinion piece.

As a result, this election offers American voters an unedifying choice. Many of The Economist’s readers, especially those who run businesses in America, may well conclude that nothing could be worse than another four years of Mr Obama. We beg to differ. For all his businesslike intentions, Mr Romney has an economic plan that works only if you don’t believe most of what he says. That is not a convincing pitch for a chief executive. And for all his shortcomings, Mr Obama has dragged America’s economy back from the brink of disaster, and has made a decent fist of foreign policy. So this newspaper would stick with the devil it knows, and re-elect him.
Our American endorsement: Which one? | The Economist
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 13:34
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Or, you have what must be one of the best opening lines of any opinion piece written:
Energetic in body but indolent in mind, Barack Obama in his frenetic campaigning for a second term is promising to replicate his first term, although simply apologizing would be appropriate.
George Will: Obama’s empty, strident campaign - The Washington Post
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 13:39
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Hail Obama?

The German word for hail is heil. Is there some sort of nuanced correlation there?!!!
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 13:40
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And for all his shortcomings, Mr Obama has dragged America’s economy back from the brink of disaster,
if anything, the American economy has come back from the brink of disaster not because of Obama, but despite him.


and has made a decent fist of foreign policy.
well not in the Middle East, Russia or North Africa, he's alienated the UK several times and Europe sees 200,00 screaming Germans less. I'll leave the US posters to bring up south and central America ...

The true audacity of the Obama administration lies less in its proclaimed foreign policy hopes, than in its insistence that its record is one of foreign policy success. It has, rather, been one of embarrassment, failure, and in some cases, disaster.

Because of the last four years, we face a world in which our enemies do not fear us, our friends do not believe they can trust us, and those who maneuver between the two camps feel that they will not get in trouble by crossing us. It is time, and more than time, to choose a different course.

Obama's failed foreign policy - Opinion - The Boston Globe

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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 15:57
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cnn.com, of all places, is running a piece entitled "Mitt Romney: My Vision For America".

I strongly suggest those who prefer him as a candidate, as I do, over Obummer read the piece. Very nicely written by Mr. Romney.

Mitt Romney: My vision for America - CNN.com
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 16:02
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My mind is made up

I like both presedential candidates and only untested Christie better.

I dispise congress

I voted yesterday so I simple turn off any effect on convincing me otherwise
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Old 2nd Nov 2012, 16:08
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Loma,

Serious question, and not trying to change your mind.

Have you long despised Congress, or just since 2010?

Which part of Congress?

For my part, I prefer the boisterous, cantankerous, plebian House of Representatives to the go-along to get-along Senate.

I think term limits are past due, and redistricting every couple of years is shameful.

Weak presidents let Congress role them over. Strong presidents lead, do the controlling. History has plenty of examples of both, in much more stressful times in our history.
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