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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:17
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sevenstrokeroll,
they could have buried the electric lines like we do out west and the trees wouldn't have knocked them down.
Save up your money, underground electrical wires become unreliable after 15-20 years and the maximum life is 25-35 years. The cost for underground is $5M per mile verses $500K per mile for above ground wires. Typical replacement costs for underground run $3,500 per customer on top of the higher electricity rates you already pay. It is easier to trim the trees and replace broken poles when necessary.
BTW, the problem in lower Manhattan is just that, the electrical cables are underground, flooded with water.

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:18
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Thankfully not 11fan me old bud Sadly we have to use the last USA President as a yardstick. You'll get the chance if the flip flopper prevails
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:20
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I've got to say, between the television advertising onslaught causing me to wear out the "Mute" button on my remote control, and the petty back and forthing of the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism (attr:Safire, 1970's) here on JetBlast, I've completely had my fill of this campaign.

Maybe because my ballot has been sent in, so I don't want to hear any more. We are an all-mail-in state here, which is great.

However, it's clear that starting next Wednesday we will have a never ending onslaught of bitching and whining. The only remaining unknown is whether the whine-ers will be Red or Blue.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:22
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Bush's appointed Head of FEMA at the time was Michael D. Brown, a lawyer from Oklahoma who ran Bush's election campaign in 2000. He had little or no experience in emergency management.
Yes I am familiar with Mr. Brown, he lied on his resume. Okay, lied might be too harsh of a term, I'll say his resume was very misleading in regard to his experience as a Emergency planner for the City of Edmond, Oklahoma.

But Bush did at least one thing in the aftermath of Katina that Obama never did after the BP spill, waiver the Jones act, which Bush did in two days. By Obama refusing to waiver the Jones Act to cover his union backers, he deprived the US of the most advance oil removal equipment in the world. That was just one of Obama's screwup in the BP spill.

The other colossal blunder by Obama was shutting down all offshore drilling even after a Federal Judge ruled that Obama had not that authority, but as we all know, Obama ignored the ruling and kept the gulf shut down. We still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Oh, and please don't bother saying that we are producing more oil and gas now than before, as while that is a true statement, it is in spite of Obama, not because of Obama, as all the increases of production is coming from privately owned land, not from Government controlled lease land. New leases on government land is basically stagnate.

It is still very interesting that every time Obama gets into trouble and/or falls in the polls, you start yelling about Bush.

Yes Obama inherited a mess, but not as bad as is made out and all Obama has done in nearly four years, is to make it worse.

And people like you want four more years of the same.

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:23
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Yeah Skipper,

You'll get the chance if the flip flopper prevails
Counting on it.

I'll be the first to call him out if he blames the last guy after a few months. I think that all of them do do for a period of time, but after four years, it gets old.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:32
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but after four years, it gets old
Actually, it's positively ancient and bloody annoying... My five year old doesn't blame her teddy bear as much as Barry points his finger elsewhere.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:33
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Undergrounding is demonstrably safer, and far less pricey than you say. Not to mention your pessimistic prediction of useful life. Are you quoting direct burial versus conduit? Better to "pull" than "string". Looks nicer also.

obgraham, "nabobs" was not Safire, it was Spiro Agnew, Nixon's life insurance policy... imo

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:36
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Yup. You inherit a legacy IMHO. The Tories in my country have inherited a terrible mess How long it takes to repair is a subjective judgement. Some of the RWS I remember saying immediately post the last election he owns it now, he's responsible for it.

Well, when I look at the ages of some of you guys, I really question the wisdom of such glib and ridiculous abdications of responsibility. Romney himself said in the debates that his programme for job creation will take 8 years. He's banking on a second term to deliver what he is promising. So where is the overnight 'he owns it, he's responsible, why don't we have the overnight delivery ?' It ain't practical and it ain't realistic. I believe I am debating with pretty educated individuals on here. Sometimes I wonder
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:38
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Lyman,
Habitat for Humanity is a bumbling waste of precious resources.
Things must be different in "grassy valley", i.e., taking verses giving back. I play golf on occasions with a retired gentleman that spends a great deal of his time in building houses as part of the program. It is a way to give back to the community that has given much to one's wellbeing and success, it is rewarding to many.

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:42
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so...obama could have had the trees trimmed...just the 500,000,000 solyndra lost could have helped...or take that money and equip critical infrastructure with emergency generators...like for gas stations.

and I'll still take underground electrics.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:44
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I respect your opinion, TD, for it was once my own. After my political career, my understanding about governance and people's pain changed forever. To see helpless homeless and hungry people in my community whilst well meaning people squandered scarce resources on a single mom's "self esteem" made me angry. It still does.

Shelter is a birthright, owning a home is not. And in a country where self esteem is valued above a roof for everyone, and food, and basic medical care, etc. there is shame. And rightly so.

imho.....

I donated twenty five thousand dollars in cash and in kind to HFH. I then stepped back, and saw what real need was, and is. It was humbling. Is Habitat a waste of precious and scarce bounty? Only if one child is hungry, or wet cold and sick. Or outside in the freezing cold.

To each his own.

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:46
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obgraham, "nabobs" was not Safire, it was Spiro Agnew,
Agnew was the speaker. Safire was the author of the phrase.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:50
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Retracted................

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:51
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you can even get gun racks for them !!


And a tell-tale sign that it's not one of the fluffies' vehicles, so it doesn't fit my description.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:53
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obgraham..... That is special, Bill wrote it, "Spiro" spoke it..... And Bill does not get props. Thanks for the heads up.

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:55
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Lyman,
Undergrounding is demonstrably safer, and far less pricey than you say. Not to mention your pessimistic prediction of useful life. Are you quoting direct burial versus conduit? Better to "pull" than "string". Looks nicer also.
For your reading enjoyment:

http://www.entergy.com/2008_hurrican...ound-lines.pdf

http://www.psc.state.fl.us/publicati...und_Wiring.pdf

http://www.ncuc.commerce.state.nc.us...oundreport.pdf

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 22:59
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I1fan,

Why retracted ?

I get challenged constantly dipping my toe into this. TD is right, your stupid ex Pres caused some 4,500 US deaths on a lie and 30,000 plus injuries and you guys want to call the election on 4 deaths in Libya ?

Penny wise, pound foolish

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Old 1st Nov 2012, 23:01
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I believe I am debating
Stuff and nonsense. No, you're not. You might believe you are, but you're not. There's nothing interactive about your statements. That specific qualifier is inherent to the definition of debate.

Reflexive knee-jerk reactions always to the same (often nonfactual and invalid and nearly always irrelevant) points are not debate.

Whether Bush was a saint or satan incarnate is really immaterial, but you keep bringing him up 4 years after he's left office. If Bush dropped dead tomorrow, nothing would change, so why do you bring him up, time and time again? Apparently your past pols in UK continue to influence policy long after their sell-by date, but that generally isn't the case in the US.

The debate, if I may be so bold, should be about which candidate (of those running) is most likely to act in the best interests of the electorate (note I did not mention his rhetoric, thoughts, or good intentions). Just as the only poll that matters is the one on 6 November, the only thing that matters about the president from January 2013 is how he acts, nothing else is material.

It ain't about Bush, or Blair, or Putin, or Clinton or Mike Brown, or whoever else you're going to come up with.

You're not alone here at doing this sort of thing, but you're the only one who cloaks what you're doing under the protective mantle of the word debate.

I for one am with obgraham. 6 times per day my landline rings, evenly split exhortations to vote for either Romney or Obama in a state with convenient early voting. Tiresome.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 23:03
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LAJ,

Because I was going to call you on your flattering remarks in Post #10631 but screw it, think what you want.
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 23:07
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I live in the most tornado prone area in the United States, if not the world. Our local electrical power lines are underground direct from a power sub-station. The addition I live in was constructed that way. Thank God, as a result we have power when most neighborhoods with above ground power lines are without.

That being said, to go back and bury power lines where they are above ground, is basically cost prohibited. My son who lives in the country knows that power lines will never be buried in the country where he lives, at last not in his lifetime, just too damn expensive and the home owners have to pay for burying the power lines.

But, he does have a natural gas standby generator that can completely power his home and a couple of the out buildings.
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