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Old 8th Sep 2012, 23:25
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Maybe we should honor him with an Indian name.

How about Posts With A Grudge or maybe Shoulder With Big Chip.
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 23:37
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How about Posts With A Grudge or maybe Shoulder With Big Chip.
Well, that's better than broken rubber.
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Old 8th Sep 2012, 23:38
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Regime change can be done in many ways. The two worst ways are to throw our country in a fiscal crisis and by the way ruin 35000+ American lives (Iraq) or to have your Israeli master direct you to start a war with Iran while they sit on the side lines and profit from it (the coming Romney war).

The best way is to take out that pig OBL is without asking permission, and not the Romney who cares, or the Condi we do not want to eliminate the boogie man to soon approach. The second way is to kick the shit out a despot without one American life lost (Libya).

The Republican face did not even mention our troops and the ongoing war in his RNC speech. Why? Because he sees them as expendable and on the balance sheet more costly if they come home alive.

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Old 8th Sep 2012, 23:44
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Yeah, what ever.
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 00:45
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Well, in a cloud of dust and a Hi Ho Silver, the wife is off to Tulsa. Our daughter has having a baby, its about a week early.

Now I posted this because after she left, I started to do some cleaning and trying to decide about what I would do for dinner. Then it struck me, I'm getting old.

Not that many years ago, as soon as my wife had left the house, I'd be right behind her, heading for the club or one of our favorite restaurants for dinner with friends of ours.

But now, I'm going to sit home, get something to eat and watch TV.




















Oh to hell with, I'm going to change clothes and head for the club.
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 00:50
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Oh to hell with, I'm going to change clothes and head for the club.
With any luck they will have the OU Football game on the tube

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Old 9th Sep 2012, 01:38
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The best way is to take out that pig OBL is without asking permission
Oh come on... How stupid are you? Bill Clinton had OBL in the palm of his hand, TWICE and WITH PERMISSION...

Pray tell... Why didn't The Big C take out OBL? We both know that C knew who he was and what he was, so why?
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 03:11
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Someone should pay closer attention to the warnings that come with those meds. Those side effects are really kicking in. Especially the one that says Warning: May cause delusions of grandeur.
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 04:53
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I fail to see what OBL has to do with Clinton's desire to take out Saddam.

If our dear friend The Sultan actually had any knowledge of the Iraq Liberation Act, or Operation Desert Fox, he would realise that Clinton did want to, unilaterally or with the help of others, topple the Iraqi regime.

In other words, Bush just continued what Clinton had already started, yet nobody calls Clinton a warmonger............

Oh, and his comments about the troops are beyond low. And it shows the level some will stoop to to try and decry the Republicans. Despicable

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Old 9th Sep 2012, 05:01
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 05:49
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BTW Sultan. I guess you are also one of those who ignores the small matter of Mitt addressing the American Legion in Indianapolis on the day before his RNC speech. You know, the gig that Obama deemed so important, the people deemed so important, despite it not being in the middle of the DNC, that it merited only a three minute video shown at the American Legion Conference.

Yes, that's right, Obama refused to even go to the conference and talk to these veterans, whereas Mitt spent the day there.

Dunno about you, but to me that shows Mitt shows more respect for those who have served by addressing them directly instead of using some scripted soundbites at a conference to show how much Obama thinks of the troops.......
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 05:55
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I think that most of us here who are supporting Romney over Obama will agree that it was a mistake not to have acknowledged our service men and women in his address at the RNC.

However, as previously discussed, the lack of respect the DNC attendees gave to their own veteran speakers was disgusting.

Now can we move on?
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 06:04
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Of course we can, we just need to put Sultan back in his box.

I see Rasmussen has the election sitting at "too close to call", with Obama on 46% and Mitt on 44% with 5% "undecided" and 4% saying "anyone but these two", so the next couple of months will be interesting.

Why does it concern me? Well, the effects of the policies of whoever wins will be felt over here, same as the effects of that screw up called the Euro are being felt on your side of the pond. Personally, I don't see one thing that Obama has done which has actually improved the situation that started in 2008, or has really improved how things are in the US either. The thought of another 4 years of that is worrying (and I bet he still wouldn't close Gitmo by the end of 2016 either...)
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 10:54
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The RNC speeches didn't just forget Veterans, they also reportedly forgot the last two Republican Presidents. Maybe it's because neither Bush Sr. nor Jr is dead yet.

Today's Doonesbury cartoon is about gas prices:



I wish they'd extend the Presidential term to 8 years; maybe then we could cure this chronic short-term thinking. Does either candidate know what he'll be doing on November 6th?

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Old 9th Sep 2012, 11:06
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I wish they'd extend the Presidential term to 8 years; maybe then we could cure this chronic short-term thinking. Does either candidate know what he'll be doing on November 6th?
Then surely you would have to make it single-term only Presidencies, as the ability of a politician to be able to REALLY screw things up over a period of 16 years is a frightening thought. And do you think they wouldn't still be thinking "short term" when they have the influence of the daily/weekly/hourly popularity polls? No, there would be no change to the thinking, it would still be short term no matter what.



Oh, Obama knows he'll be packing the U-Haul trailer on 11/6
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 11:59
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I don't know, then - Dictator-for-Life? It's going to take several election cycles to pay off the national debt: no single President is going to pay off the current Debt in one or two terms. (I know what Clinton did, but this one is of a different order of difficulty.) I think we need politicians who can "keep their eyes on the ball", and formulate policies that will still work when they are long out of office.

(On the topic of the National Debt: watch out for politicos or commentators who mix up Debt and Deficit in discussions. If they can't tell the difference, you can basically ignore whatever they say about the economy. It's not just the USA, it happens in the UK too. For a discussion of what the current US deficit situation is, and what it means, this article is good.)

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Old 9th Sep 2012, 12:18
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BNT.....in case it has slipped by you.....we ignore the State Controlled Media in all matters as they are merely outlets for the DNC Talking Points Memo's.

Liberals have no concept of Debt, Deficit Spending, or the damage it does to the Country, the Economy, and Job Growth/Employment.

Liberals do understand SPENDING and TAXING so they can SPEND MORE.

Liberals are all about SPENDING.....Conservatives are the ones that are concerned about PAYING. There is the rub between the two outlooks....we on the Right always ask that horrible question of the Liberal...."How/Who is going to pay for it?".

That is when Liberals turn into Guppies....mouth opening and closing and no words coming out!
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 12:24
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I wish they'd extend the Presidential term to 8 years; maybe then we could cure this chronic short-term thinking. Does either candidate know what he'll be doing on November 6th?
While politicians are a necessary evil, they desperately need to be kept in a tight box. We had that, the US Constitution that carefully proscribed what they good do. Then, idiots let 'em loose. They need to stop engineering society, they ain't any good at it.

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Old 9th Sep 2012, 12:33
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Spoke with a friend out here in the good ol' RSA. Here for a week re his father's health. (He is a research doctor in the States.)

Reckons barry will get a second term 'cause Romney is useless.

Would appreciate opinion from those in the States.
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Old 9th Sep 2012, 12:46
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Liberals ...

Liberals ...

Liberals ...

... Liberals ...
When did "Liberal" become a dirty word? Don't you know your own history?

This is one of the most distressing things about watching this whole cluster f**k from outside the USA: the willingness to pigeon-hole half the country in to "Liberal" or "Conservative", and then dismiss everything the "other half" has to say, when the reality is clearly much more complex.

Remember, *both* US major parties are on the "right" relative to the rest of the world i.e. it looks like a battle between "centre-Right" and "far-Right" from here.

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