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Old 26th Aug 2012, 02:51
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Must be.

Remember... Obama:

“You know, I actually did. I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”
And Biden:

Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War. In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager. Biden was not a part of the anti-Vietnam War movement; he would later say that at the time he was preoccupied with marriage and law school, and that he "wore sports coats ... not tie-dyed".
But, to be fair, I frankly doubt that Romney "longed" to be in Viet Nam, as he has been quoted. I'm pretty sure for that war, if there was a will, there was a way as well. I'm pretty sure the thought of military service never once has crossed Paul Ryan's mind.

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Old 26th Aug 2012, 02:58
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Exactly Um....

I guess I was expecting more from the guy with the definite article in his handle.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 03:04
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OK , You win.

That's what it's all about for you isn't it? Winning.
Now that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen written here.

Obviously from the last sentence of that post I quoted, added to the remainder of your post, you are trying your damnest to win.

Hello kettle, pot calling, hello kettle, pot calling, over.

Just back from the Pub are we?

You are not pleased with facts being thrown back into your face either, are you. Poor little guy.

I live in Oklahoma, you do not.

I used to fly for United States Senator James Inhofe. You did not. I can call him Jim, you should call him Sir or Senator Inhofe.

My mother and my grandparents lived the dust bowl days, they lost everything they had except the clothes on their backs. Yours did not.

Oh, it has just rained over one half inch of rain tonight and it is still raining, in fact it is raining all over the state and should continue tomorrow. Three days ago we received over an inch of rain in the worse drought hit areas. More rain is forecast next week.

I know what I am talking about, you do not. So go back to the Pub, have a few more and then tell me what's really on your mind.

Cheers.

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Old 26th Aug 2012, 03:34
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OK , You win.That's what it's all about for you isn't it? Winning.

Never mind the state of the earth (there is no alternate).

Or any understanding of how we are where we are as a species.
You don't care because you have a gold-plated scheme from
the USA tax-payers so to hell with the poor and vulnerable.

con-pilot is 'alright jack' so burn the bridge behind me.
This is a joke, right? Telling an Okie about heatwaves, preaching about the "poor and vulnerable", admonishments about earth management? Are the educational backgrounds amongst the doomsayers really that bankrupt they don't know how utterly stupid that sounds? Why don't you tell fish about the ocean...


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Old 26th Aug 2012, 12:17
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If you were a military commander, who would you rather have in your outfit,

I was about to make some scathing remark about this until I remembered.....

In 1968 I went to work for an international government organisation that turned out to be very successful. There were 11 member states at that time, the UK was one, having signed up to it. But unlike the other ten countries, which kept on pouring money in and getting contracts in turn to build spacecraft or contracts to assign manpower (we had strict rules on "geographical return"), the Greengrocer's daughter who was in charge of GB at the time never had a good word to say for Europe, reduced payments or was late in payments, then complained when the UK didn't get its fare share of the work, unlike France, Germany, Italy etc...who were all paying far more. She damaged the UK's participation in European industry so badly that it still lags behind today.

So yes, an incompetent sour-grapes leader with no experience in What Really Matters in your country (in the USA this is the War Industry) does matter. And ifwere an American I would want a leader with military experience.

Of course the ability to point to a world map and locate France or Germany, let alone I-raq or Afghanistan, would be nice, but one can't have everything.

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Old 26th Aug 2012, 13:10
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So it's the War Industry that really matters in the US?

Not defense, not military, but War? Not agriculture, not oil & gas, not medical, but War. Love the capital letter, by the way.

And I guess the next time we send kids from Nebraska or Mississippi to fight a European war we'll make sure we brief them on the diverse and incredibly important cultural differences between, say the Walloons and Flemings. Or the Catalonians and Galicians. We'll make them pass an EU exam first, I suppose.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:01
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OK, I should have said defence industry, not war industry. But comes down to the same thing: spending on the US defense industry exceeds spending on anything else. Take away that spending and the US economy would be in a bad way.

the next time we send kids from Nebraska or Mississippi

And believe me, their contribution was much appreciated, when they finally arrived.

But that was all long long ago. These days American youth is being sent to die in the desert and achieving very little in return, and it's not their fault. Shouldn't be happening.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:08
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I live in Oklahoma, you do not.
Thank God for that.

I used to fly for United States Senator James Inhofe. You did not. I can call him Jim, you should call him Sir or Senator Inhofe.
If I typed here what I would like to call him, I would be 'moderated'.

Suffice to say that I think he is very wrong about his stance on human-made climate change. He doesn't have the slightest understanding about what's going on with the climate and he's simply a shill for the energy industry.

I'm glad your state got some rain. May it continue.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:15
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Ah yes.....'when they finally arrived'. That's a clever masking of the old 'showed up late' slur, yet again. Sometimes these things are just so tedious.

The US Defense industry is about 4% of GDP. I wish it could be less, but afraid it should be more.

I do hope the economies of Europe survive the latest round of troubles peacefully. You never know what might happen once the Frisians assert their independence from the Macedonians. We'll not be inclined to show up at all, next go-round.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:17
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when they finally arrived.
Yeah....Yeah....Right!

Like the crew of the Reuben James, the Americans in the RCAF,RAF, and the Merchant Marine were "Late' to the Show.

Like the Industrial Workers in that "War" industry you mention...as if they were not building the War Materials, weapons, ammunition, Airplanes, Tanks that were coming to you all along.

Cut the crap OFSO.....everytime you and others like you beat this drum we remind you of the facts....and it starts with it was not our War. It had nothing to do with us until we got dragged into it against our Will. What does matter is what happened after we got into it. As in the First European War we fought....we were the reason the Allies won and the Opposition lost.....that was repeated in the next two European Wars....the one with lots of gunfire and the Cold War that followed it.

Considering the state of the UK military today....you won't last long enough in any kind of "War" so hopefully if we are not there at the kickoff....we will not have to do this a fourth time. So y'all best be nice to your neighbors.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:24
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He doesn't have the slightest understanding about what's going on with the climate
"Pot calling Kettle, this is Pot calling Kettle. Are you black home yet?"
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 14:29
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Thank God for that?

While the wide-open plains of Oklahoma may not be for everyone, they do breed a tough, independent sort of person. The kind of person who puts his boots on every morning, looks into that wide blue sky and wonders what the day will bring. Nature is in your face in Oklahoma, not to be trifled with.

Senator Jim Inhofe is a son of Oklahoma, small businessman, veteran. He doesn't take the accepted wisdom at face value, nor should he.

A small English village, with the pitter patter of constant rain, mummy's state looking over one's shoulder, and monotonous tea breaks, may be for some. But it is a world away from a fulfilling life lived by independent, hard-scrabble Okies. I know what I would prefer.
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"Pot calling Kettle, this is Pot calling Kettle. Are you black home yet?"
LOL. Very funny. I'm going to copy that for future use if I may.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 15:28
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A small English village, with the pitter patter of constant rain, mummy's state looking over one's shoulder, and monotonous tea breaks, may be for some.
I wouldn't know about that, but it sounds quite romantic.

When I think about Oklahoma, I always think about the 'steers and queers' quote from 'An Officer and a Gentleman' movie.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 15:36
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I always think about the 'steers and queers'
I always think of him sweeping the girl off her feet and off they go, but I guess we have different tastes.
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 15:48
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Since Climate Gate....you notice how only the Kool Aid drinkers are talking about AGW? Hell....even Algore has slunk off to his many Mansions with the humongus electric bills and has watched his name, fame, and game disappear much like a fart in an Oklahoma Tornado!

Anyone....and I mean Anyone...that spouts off about Global Warming nowadays....is simply put....a damn Fool!
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 15:50
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When I think about Oklahoma, I always think about the 'steers and queers' quote from 'An Officer and a Gentleman' movie.
Well, yes you would, wouldn't you.

As for the rain, it rained all night and we're to have a 60% chance of rain today. More later in the week.

Now one more little factoid and then we can move on to something really important. Every summer since people could figure out this sort of thing, a high pressure dome moves over Oklahoma and then just sits there all summer, this starts in late June to early July and lasts until mid-September. Because of this dome it gets hot, up in 110f degree range, the hottest 113 was set in 1930, we've yet to break that record by the way. However, this year high pressure dome (aka heat wave) broke mid-August, the earliest on record.

Never the less, we have set new all time record low temperatures for the last two winters along with record snowfall. You know, that white fluffy, cold icy type of Global Warming. And not just by a tenth of a degree, but by 4 degrees, the newest low is -31f breaking the old record of -27f.


Now for something completely different.

(in the USA this is the War Industry)
I cannot recall any country in history being attacked, because it was too strong.

Just sayin'.

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Old 26th Aug 2012, 16:51
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The US Defense industry is about 4% of GDP. I wish it could be less, but afraid it should be more.
Another way of looking at it....


I cannot recall any country in history being attacked, because it was too strong.
Think USA, December 7, 1941
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Old 26th Aug 2012, 16:57
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In 1968 I went to work for an international government organisation that
turned out to be very successful. There were 11 member states at that time, the UK was one, having signed up to it. But unlike the other ten countries, which kept on pouring money in and getting contracts in turn to build spacecraft or contracts to assign manpower (we had strict rules on "geographical return"), the Greengrocer's daughter who was in charge of GB at the time never had a good word to say for Europe, reduced payments or was late in payments, then complained when the UK didn't get its fare share of the work, unlike France, Germany, Italy etc...who were all paying far more. She damaged the UK's participation in European industry so badly that it still lags behind today.
So yes, an incompetent sour-grapes leader with no experience in What Really Matters in your country (in the USA this is the War Industry) does matter. And if were an American I would want a leader with military experience.
Oh how cute, an "intenational government organization". Tell me, was that the same European industry built-on the post WW2 billions Americans handed you for the purpose of re-building one? And when you speak of "fare (sic) shares", how much of that government money was available for you to hand to your industries because someone else was shouldering far more than their fair share to keep you from speaking Russian? You should probably kneel down and kiss the butt of any American taxpayer who helped fund the American "War Industry's" umbrella that allowed you to have all that loose change to spend on other things.

It's pretty easy to afford the gas for your car when your daddy is still making the monthly payments, buying the insurance, providing for the maintenance, and giving you a garage to park it in.

Of course the ability to point to a world map and locate France or Germany, let alone I-raq or Afghanistan, would be nice, but one can't have everything.
Left to their own devices, France and Germany have proved time and time again that they don't even know where their own borders begin or end, so why should anyone else? Hell, half of France didn't even remember they were French after the German army had sucessfully booked itself in for tables for 400,000 to go see for themselves what that souffle' was all about.
And believe me, their contribution was much appreciated, when they finally arrived.
We should have expended all our efforts fighting the Japanese because when it comes down to it, who really cares if you had grown up speaking German or Russian? It's all the same to our hayseed ears. And just so's ya know, the Soviets won the war, and we unnecessary 'murricans are confused about this cuz we ig'nant. It would've been far less confusing for us if Uncle Joe had just wound up owning the whole shebang. Keep it simple for us simpletons, we can do business with that. Too bad it didn't happen that way.
But that was all long long ago. These days American youth is being sent to die in the desert and achieving very little in return, and it's not their fault. Shouldn't be happening.
They shouldn't have died in the woodlands, the farmland, the villages, in the skies over, or on the beaches of Europe. Spent all those American lives and money from 1917 until the end of the Cold War for the very little return realized. Are Americans stupid? Of course we are. You're living proof.

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Old 26th Aug 2012, 17:08
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Think USA, December 7, 1941
Indeed TurbineD, and one could extend that to 9/11 as well.

Although, I suggest con's statement may have been accurate, if you consider it purely by motive. Quote possibly, the US wasn't attacked by Japan because it was "too strong," rather, the US was attacked because it could stand in the way of Japan's intent of dominating the Pacific.

Full Disclosure: I am not an avid historian, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

By the way, I look forward to watching that other link later today which you posted on the economy. Haven't forgotten.
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