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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:13
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Most here will have watched the WW2 series 'Band of Brothers'.

If so, you'll recall that 101st Airborne captured the two US citizens serving in the German Army. The TV series left it gloriously vague about what the officer who took them away (Winter's ExO) did with them, but I strongly suspect - as did all his men at the time - that it did not involve 'due process'.

Having seen what has transpired in the Australian courts with Australian David Hicks, who was captured in Afghanistan while serving with the Taliban, I can't help but opine that if the Americans who first took Hicks prisoner had followed Winter's ExO's example, it would have been better for all concerned, including Hicks, who would now be enjoying his 72 virgins.

OK, amend that to better for all except for the lawyers.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:16
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With all respect to you and my other RWS brethren, I'm not on board with that.

If they are attacking or have attacked the US, have declared themselves our enemy, and embed themselves with our enemy, eschewing their loyalty to the country, I consider that a renunciation of the rights of citizenship.

I don't, however, condone in any way the idea that the president or anyone else in the echelons of government should have any discretion to assert for themselves who is the enemy. There has to be concrete, and general concurrence based on evidence that the US citizen in question has turned against us and has taken action against us. I think that's reasonable.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:24
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Agree.

Except instead of "summary justice" (which I don't have a problem with,
engineer a situation, that way less questions IMHO.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:26
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You asked "and if bin Laden were an American?"

I'd be just as happy with the result of the raid as actually happened.

A raid was conducted to apprehend him. He died resisting. He died while fighting American forces. Game on and he lost.

I'd have no problem if al Awalaki (sp?) were zapped while emplacing an IED.

He was killed, on Presidential orders, while riding in a pick-up. As was his 16 yr old son.

Again, no real tears as the terrorist was definitely scum, and his son likely was being raised as the same.

But Barry, acting as President, Legislature, and Judicial, ordered the deliberate killing of an American citizen. One, when so killed, was not engaged in combat with American or allied forces.

A military tribunal, a verdict, and a firing squad and I'd be happy. With the President simply ordering the death of an American, I get skittish about the whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" guarentees.

If Barry can order this, why can't he order others? Given his track record regarding the abuse of government towards his political opponents, is it that far-fetched to ponder "what if?"

And if not Barry, what about the next guy? The precedent has been set and history shows that such power grabs are rarely, if ever, checked, only expanded.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:32
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Brings a tear to my eye, Caco. Thanks.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 00:43
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The precedent has been set and history shows that such power grabs are rarely, if ever, checked, only expanded.
Yes, is it practically impossible to unset a precedent, once a President has established one.






Now say that real fast three times.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 01:09
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He started with "respect"*, so no, he cannot say it once, slowly, never mind there times fast.













* which leads to curses, to death threats, banning, and re-appearing a week later. As long as he isn't feuding.
 
Old 24th Jun 2014, 01:32
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If Barry can order this, why can't he order others? Given his track record regarding the abuse of government towards his political opponents, is it that far-fetched to ponder "what if?"
Is this to do with the "death panels" proposed as part of the American national health care system?
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 01:34
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Man, do I wish I owned stock in British breweries...


In addition to not "feuding," I suppose mentioning the War is out of bounds as well?
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 01:44
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Man, do I wish I owned stock in British breweries...

Vodka man, vodka..!

That and great Welsh men singing Italian music...



Still, I like the PC12 and Jimmy Buffett...



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Old 24th Jun 2014, 02:29
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Originally Posted by brickhistory View Post
Man, do I wish I owned stock in British breweries...


In addition to not "feuding," I suppose mentioning the War is out of bounds as well?
Unless it is the Korean War. Bonus points if you know who started it.
 
Old 24th Jun 2014, 03:36
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Which war in Korea?


Military history of Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


With a little work I'm sure everyone of them can be traced back to GWB.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 04:01
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Him and his bitch Blair!
Yes, every thing would have been so much better if the Roman empire didn't fallen, Damm Bush, Blair, Howard.

yep I had to put in little Johnny we where feeling left out
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 04:28
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Civil war on the way

Bobby Jindal: ?I Can Sense Right Now a Rebellion Brewing? - Downtrend
Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal came out swinging against the Obama administration Saturday night.

“I can sense right now a rebellion brewing amongst these United States,” said Jindal at an annual conference held by the Faith and Freedom Coalition. “where people are ready for a hostile takeover of Washington, D.C., to preserve the American Dream for our children and grandchildren.”

While getting to the point of a “hostile takeover” would be a big leap, he’s on the right track. Two-thirds of Americans disapprove of President Obama’s handling of immigration, a crisis that seems to be getting worse by the day. Only 12 percent consider his healthcare law a success. And 54 percent believe he “cannot lead and get the job done.” These are just a few of the many reasons Americans have to be fed up with the status quo.

Jindal also commented that there is a “silent war” on religious liberty.

“I am tired of the left. They say they’re for tolerance, they say they respect diversity. The reality is this: They respect everybody unless you happen to disagree with them,” he said. “The left is trying to silence us and I’m tired of it, I won’t take it anymore.”

Just look at what happened to former Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich and the Benham brothers if you need evidence of that.

And he took a shot at Common Core.

“The federal government has no role, no right and no place dictating standards in our local schools across these 50 states of the United States of America,” he stated.

Meanwhile, the potential 2016 presidential candidate pondered whether Obama is the “most radically, extremely liberal, ideological president” or just “the most incompetent president” of our lifetimes.

“I’ve thought long and hard about it,” he said. “Here’s the only answer I’ve come up with, and I’m going to quote Secretary Clinton: `What difference does it make?”‘
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 04:31
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We all thought this and maybe we were bad at thinking this way.
Now politicians are saying it.
Guess we are not so bad after all.
Common sense still apply s here.
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Old 24th Jun 2014, 06:46
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Jindal also commented that there is a “silent war” on religious liberty.
There certainly is, its called a holy Jihad of Atheism against anything religion, conducted by the militant wing called the ACLU and their cohorts in various western countries.

“I am tired of the left. They say they’re for tolerance, they say they respect diversity. The reality is this: They respect everybody unless you happen to disagree with them,” he said. “The left is trying to silence us and I’m tired of it, I won’t take it anymore.”

Just look at what happened to former Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich and the Benham brothers if you need evidence of that.
Yep, McCarthy had nothing on the left, its why their so viral against him, it works. Its like everything else on the left, smoke and mirrors.

Don't do this as people should be free to think what they like, truth, they intimidate and howl down anyone who has a different view. Oh right wing dictators are evil, truth, the greatest atrocities known to man where committed by left wing dictators and their ideologies.

The greatest threat known isn't Islam or their extremists, its the threat within, left wing wacko's. Until we stand up and pull our heads out of our @rses and call them on their misinformation we will keep getting screwed over.
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Old 25th Jun 2014, 17:37
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So, then, if he carries out his threat, we would be bale to say "North Korea started the war". Just sayin'.

The only way he can prevent the showing of the movie is if he converts to Islam.
 
Old 25th Jun 2014, 17:43
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AOL.com Article - North Korea's take on new US movie: 'Act of war'

Yup, North Korea is going to war against us, which will last about five minutes and then there will be no North Korea, over a movie that has not been released.*

I read this early this morning and really didn't know where to put here in JB, the "Friday Joke" thread was my final choice.

Until I saw that you posted it here.



* Yes John, technically North Korea said that they will go to war against the US if the movie is released. Does not change the ridiculousness of this statement, but then again, the entire North Korean government is ridiculous.
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Old 25th Jun 2014, 18:04
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Good thing it's just a movie and not a you tube video or we would be in real trouble.
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Old 25th Jun 2014, 18:09
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If the U.S. government doesn't block the movie's release, it will face "stern" and "merciless" retaliation, an unidentified spokesman for North Korea's Foreign Ministry said in state media Wednesday.
Has anyone bothered to count the number of times that the Little Un has threatened us with "stern" and "merciless" retaliation?

It's got to be a couple of thousand times by now.
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