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Old 27th Dec 2010, 17:15
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More take-offs than landings

I looked at the list to see if there was a more suitable forum for this. "Flight testing" or "Where are they now" might have been suitable but I plumped for Jetblast. I want to 'parachute'.
After thinking about it for many years (and being a bit cowardly, changing my mind) I've come to believe that I need to increase my number of takeoffs against the number of landings. Do you knowingly jump out of serviceable aeroplanes?

Where do you start (in the UK) and are there any sensible ways of learning the art of 'falling without crumpling'?

My grandfather did it for a living in the early 1940s and I'd like to get a better understanding of what he did.




[Quickly, before I change my mind again!]
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 18:00
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Sibson?

About 15 years ago I and a friend did the two-day weekend static line routine at Sibson. Saturday was training and practicing the PLF and stuff, Sunday was the jump. Not sure if they still do it, but, if so, that might be a good place. Only thing is that it's a static line jump and using conical (round) chutes, not the square ones so you hit like you see the Airborne in WW2 movies rather than dance ever so elegantly onto the ground. If you're looking for a tandem freefall, that's something different.

Have fun in any case. I have the picture they take as you go out the door. It's the only picture of me anywhere with genuine fear on my face!! Glad I did it, though.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 18:12
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not the square ones so you hit like you see the Airborne in WW2 movies rather than dance ever so elegantly onto the ground.
I rather think there has been a mix up between round chutes and square ones here!

Not sure where to go in UK these days as a civvy. My first jump was from a tetherd baloon at Abingdon in the early 70s. Became a bit addicted (the adrenalin you know) and did many more jumps and then some base jumping including a few firsts in the Dolomites.

Go for it! The first is the hardest.

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Old 27th Dec 2010, 18:21
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If you are anywhere near the Midlands you may want to try this lot at Langar Airfield, near Nottingham.

Skydiving/Parachuting: British Parachute Schools Skydiving Centre - Skydive training, solo and tandem jump courses by BPA qualified staff.

Several of my mates have taken the plunge there and 'enjoyed' the experience.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 19:30
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I'm based in Cardiff, if that helps.



Go for it! The first is the hardest.
I bet that the last one is a bit of a ba***rd, too!

Singing......"He jumped from 20,000ft without a parachuuuuute..."
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 19:38
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I'm based in Cardiff, if that helps.
Go tandem, go Swansea

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Old 27th Dec 2010, 20:13
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My first flying job was flying sport jumpers near Las Vegas. They offered me half price training as an employee benefit, and I got into it pretty heavily till my money ran out. Back then there were 3 options for training: static line, AFF, and tandem progression. Static line is kind of a throw-back; you don't get any free-fall, therefore the whole experience is truncated by about 50%. It has it's place in the military, but I'm not sure why anyone in the civilian world still bothers. Many people choose the AFF option; that's where you get your own rig right from the first jump and you have 2 instructors physically holding on to you during free-fall to keep you stable. The only catch is, once you open your parachute, you're on your own. They tie a walkie-talkie to your harness, and you'll have someone on the ground using it to give you instructions, but if you freeze up, you're toast. Many student fatalities arise from mishandling a properly functioning parachute during their first jump. That's why I recommend the tandem progression. You do your first 4 jumps tandem, so you get the free-fall experience but still have the instructor along for the parachute ride. At jump # 5, you get your own rig with one instructor holding on during free-fall; by that time you should know whether or not your brain can still function under a flood of adrenaline.

In my personal experience, it took about 15 jumps to get over the fear. As soon as I got out the door, it was great and I couldn't wait to to it again, but as soon as I would get into the plane the next time, I would start coming up with all kinds of reasons why I was never going to jump again. After the 15th, I guess my instinct of self preservation just rolled over and died, and my brain converted all the adrenaline into positive vibes instead of negative.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 21:39
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Stay away from this madness at all costs.
Many years ago a very pretty and intelligent lady-friend did this frequently, (and with with great enthusiasm), as a source of 'recreation'.
One day she arrived at work with a foot encased in plaster.
I suggested that she had landed with one ankle on QNH and the other on QFE.
As far as I am aware, she has never jumped from a servicable aircraft again.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 22:04
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I've come to believe that I need to increase my number of takeoffs against the number of landings.
1 That's one hell of a dangerous delusion you are suffering from - seek professional help.

2 It's a logical impossibility that you can have an imbalance of more than one between the number of your take offs and the number of your landings. Unless of course you have come up with some ingenious method of throwing yourself towards the ground from several thousand feet and somehow missing......

If this is the case, please let me know how it's done as I'd love to save on airfares & it'd cut my carbon footprint to zero for travel.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 23:50
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Be warned skydiving is seriously addictive. This I learned in my time as jump pilot. Why else would you spend the entire weekend hanging around charmless airfields for a few seconds of an intense adrenalin rush? But not everyone catches the bug.

I have jumped out of perfectly serviceable aircraft. The first was a static line drop under an old round canopy. I promptly drifted into the adjacent bog narrowly avoiding landing in a river. It was an intense experience. I still have the original account of it which I wrote while the adrenalin was still flowing. The pivotal moment came just outside the aircraft. Up to that I was concentrating on remembering the training. Once out the door I realised I had probably made a mistake as I was 2,500 feet up and falling. The relief when the parachute opened was incredible. I wanted to do it again immediately but never did.

My next was a tandem many years later from the aeroplane I normally flew as jump pilot. It was for the benefit of the tandem instructor who was training. I was curiously unmoved by the experience although I did quite enjoy the freefall. After another tandem with a similar result I realised that I'd rather stay up front. Indeed I know several skydivers who became pilots and basically never again felt the need to take the quickest way down.

On the plus side many skydivers get to fly in and jump out of very interesting aircraft all over the world. C130s, C47s, Twin Otters even jets. On the other hand they get to experience 'malfunctions'. More than once I watched with my heart in my mouth as a static student took far too long to 'cut away' a faulty canopy or ride one into a tree. But it's generally very safe and regulated these days. Do what you're told and you probably won't die.

Give it a try anyway.
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Old 27th Dec 2010, 23:54
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Did a couple of jumps. A load of old bollocks.

Keep flying the god damned plane and throw the hippies out I say!
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 02:32
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Shame it's the holidays and he's away but rgbrock1 has hit the silk a number of times and may be of some help. He's a braver man than I, and although I was offered the same opportunity as he, I chose not to accept. I prefered to keep my boots firmly planted on the ground.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 04:30
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The oft-repeated line "jumping out of a perfectly good airplane" is frequently not quite true. Most jump schools, especially those operating the smaller planes, will remove all the interior paneling in order to save weight, and then cover all the sharp corners with duct tape, creating the visual effect that the plane is held together with tape. It is occasionally harder to get the customers into the plane than to get them back out! Instrumentation is also minimal.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 06:29
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The static line drops teach the student basic survival, something having your hand held fails to instil in people. It takes a little longer (which is not a bad thing, giving the stude time to absorb the lesson) but the end result is a safer skydiver IMO. Having been at it since 1978, the difference between the folks who have followed these paths is remarkable. The glaringly obvious one is that in general the AFF studes tend to be a little naive when it comes to thinking things through and still look around for help when things go pear shaped, while the SL folks just get on with it and have a better overall point of view.

Jus' my 2c worth.

To the OP - Spend a day at the field and see what it's about, then decide what you'd like to do. Most of the folks are pretty friendly and there used to be a fairly active social side, although even that has tapered off now that people are in it more for the kudos of being an "extreme" practitioner, rather than a hard core derro skydiver.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 07:39
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Looks like good fun on 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here'.

But that's a TV program, so I can't mention it.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 08:24
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Did my course at Netheravon, JSPC, great fun, both on and off the ground, one comment though, always make sure your leg straps are tight, if they're not, you will only find out when your hanging by your b*lls at 2000ft and can't do anything about it.. go for it.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 08:39
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During my studies in Sunderland University, I re-created the sky-diving club. As I was working to recruit the 20 necessary members for launching the club, an Australian student did point out exactly that - He (and his parents) saw no reason to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.

Funny this thread appear just now as I had a conversation with a female friend who follow me, on some calm, sailing and is currently training for scuba diving but she said no way to jump out of an aircraft.

I would agree with Cardinal Puff. I did the static line training and I think despite not having sufficient jumps to make a free fall I did enjoy the training more. Also when I heard a strange sound from the parachute - I felt confortable enough to contemplate using the secondary one.

The school, very close to Sunderland in Peterlee (sp?), was good and I wanted to do it during my stay in the UK mainly because I did (and still do) the UK CAA more than I trust my national organization. I did 3 jumps - the first one I strained my ankle but I am very happy I did the course and the jumps.

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Old 28th Dec 2010, 10:03
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Go for it! The first is the hardest
Nah, the second is the hardest

First time out you don't really know what's coming.....second time you do

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Old 28th Dec 2010, 10:13
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I did seven jumps in the 70s before pranging in a wheat field on my first dummy rip and buggering my left ankle up for a while.

Don't let that put you off though.

Corsair's account sums it up for me. You have not experienced an adrenalin rush until you've jumped out of a plane.

ArthurR also has a point. Do those leg straps up until they hurt. The pain caused by loose leg straps doesn't bear thinking about!

A BPA affiliated course will be thorough and teach you what you need to know. The nearest I can find to you is at Swansea. Have a dekko at this site UK Skydiving Tandem Jumps and Skydiving Courses across the UK and Abroad

Another advantage is that a macho BPA sweatshirt attracts the attention of ladyfolk. Spin them a few spiffing yarns about your derring do and they will be putty in your hands!

Let us know how you get on (er, with the parachuting).
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 13:04
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Look at it this way...apart from leaving a serviceable aircraft for no sane or valid reason....an undercarriage failure on an aircraft and you just replace the strut or oleo.....an u/c failure on yourself....well you might enjoy pain and nurses.... I don't know........but, that's you done as they say...
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